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Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by bfgoodrich »

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts.

To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or countless other tasks, any reasonable OS does exactly the same thing -- it asks the various subsystems if now is a good time, if not it delays the reboot.

He could forcefully stop the sync (which would make it not an issue, while forfeiting the work it had done thus far), and he could forcefully reboot his computer, but this has positively nothing to do with "you have to reboot your phone first".

There needs to be a moratorium on these sorts of low-info, low-effort posts. It's just pandering to a base.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by happytoexplain »

notRobot wrote: post #23
pugworthy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

>I don't intend to be hostile towards you.

You fooled me.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

bobsoap wrote: post #22
crazygringo wrote: post #16

Um, this is a feature not a bug. If you're syncing with an iOS device in Finder, well cancel that first . Lots of applications can prevent rebooting to avoid data loss. Again, this is a GOOD thing. Sheesh.

He said he couldn't cancel. The article is not that long, it's not hard to find.

It is against HN guidelines to imply that another poster did not read the article.

E: for reference:

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by accrual »

djrogers wrote: post #18

Wait, people still sync their phones? I thought that went away about 5 years ago... At least that’s the last time I or any of the people I ‘friend support’ for did so...

I do it when I dump photos to my NAS with Image Capture. I've never needed an iPhone backup... but it's nice to know it's there if I do.

I think it's crazy to keep more than a few months of photos on a handheld device unless you routinely backup or subscribe to a service or iCloud. Some of my friends have years of photos and no backup. :(

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by dragonwriter »

crazygringo wrote: post #16

Um, this is a feature not a bug. If you're syncing with an iOS device in Finder, well cancel that first . Lots of applications can prevent rebooting to avoid data loss. Again, this is a GOOD thing. Sheesh.

> Um, this is a feature not a bug.

Not allowing reboot during sync without a warning is a feature.

Not allowing you to cancel the operation from the warning is a missing obvious feature.

Not having a discoverable method besides rebooting the phone to cancel the sync operation is a major UX flaw, though probably more of a design flaw than a bug, sensu stricto.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by happytoexplain »

bfgoodrich wrote: post #31

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

Exactly. Ideally, a sync is silently interruptible, or at least can be easily manually paused. That's the actual, and legitimate, issue. Being "unable to reboot" because of the in-progress operation is a derivative result, and the author is misleading by making that the title, for the purpose of creating a more provocative headline.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by toast0 »

pugworthy wrote: post #12
bamboleo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a non-issue at all. I want to reboot my computer so, you, computer, reboot now. There’s no way to interrupt the process or force the reboot just like with any other process.

But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

If you stop a disk format in the middle, you have to start from the beginning. I'd imagine the same thing would happen with a sync.

If you stop in the middle of a firmware upgrade, it's a bit more fussy; a good process would just need to be started over, but sometimes you need to do an emergency procedure (and sometimes the emergency procedure involves an external firmware programmer, which is exciting).

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Post by [deleted] »

notRobot wrote: post #23
pugworthy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

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