Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
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#32They define 4,000-yuan (about $609) as the national poverty line. Significant milestone. The average annual net income of impoverished people in these nine counties has risen to 11,487 yuan (about $1,740)
Presumably $1740 per annum in rural China is enough to meet basic needs.
Average means approximately half the population makes _less_ than that (In reality, probably more than half, because you need a lot of lower numbers to balance out the population making double/triple/quadruple/more than that).
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#33>moderately prosperous society in all respects. >satisfaction rate among locals was over 99 percent >About 1.88 million people living in poor mountainous areas have been relocated to urban areas >Various supporting measures have been taken to ensure that at least one person on average in each relocated household gets employed. Reads like an Onion article.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
My country had 99% election approval during communism as well. China propably made some progress, but numbers are just propaganda. If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy.
Ah, the "China is exactly like 1979 Poland" gambit. https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/132880415416539136... The downfall of the US is that we're SO CERTAIN that our way is the only right and good way, and it gives us blind spots.
> @fullhomosexual
lmao
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cite a reason why you'd think it's dumb. Denying that China has so far been very successful is a fallacy. Compare China to India, China was behind. Now it has leapfrogged ahead. It is yet to be seen if China can reach the developed country status, which would require dethroning the dollar as the world reserve currency. However, just because China has been successful in the past doesn't mean it will be able to achieve…
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Don't forget the Great Leap Forward(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward). Sure, it was 60 years ago, but 18-45 million people starved in the service of the same authoritarian regime in power today.
China continues to bully its regional neighbors like Vietnam over dubious claims to the regional seas.
Now, to be fair, I'm typing this on land formerly inhabited by American Indians, in a nation with a history of lying to start wars and exploiting foreign nations for gain. But at least I am able to discuss these issues and push for changes to keep those atrocities from happening again.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
My country had 99% election approval during communism as well. China propably made some progress, but numbers are just propaganda. If anything certain muslim regions are far from happy.
Ah, the "China is exactly like 1979 Poland" gambit. https://twitter.com/fullhomosexual/status/132880415416539136... The downfall of the US is that we're SO CERTAIN that our way is the only right and good way, and it gives us blind spots.
We can both be flawed. I wouldn't believe a 99% approval here, in China, in Italy, in South Africa, in Poland, anywhere.
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#37And they also supposedly only have 93k confirmed COVID cases. Not sure I believe this.
Depends on how they define 'confirmed case'. It plausible if their definition of confirmed cases means actually sick with moderate symptom.
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#38I am working in media / intelligence community focused on China for last 7 years. Everyone who believes Chinese official economic numbers, or communist propaganda mouthpiece CGTN, is fooling himself (...and usually, eventually regrets it:) ).
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#39Not sure how many of the people on this thread have actually been or lived in China. I have lived there about 2 years and travelled fairly extensively. I cannot speak to these specific villages, but the amount of people lifted out of poverty in China in the last 50 years is probably one of the greatest achievements in human history along with modern science, medicine and rule of law.
Could you elaborate on why it is such a great achievement? Seems like a pretty natural consequence of their growing economy.
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#40CGTN is to China what RT is for Russia.
Economics is a zero-sum-game; if they lifted everyone in China out of poverty, then poverty is exported to other countries or the nature paid all the costs.
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Nature is a silent sufferer in the economics. It acted as cushion to our misadventures, a-bomb(wars), oil-spills, co2 & other gases, industrial wastes, nuclear wastes.
For a person to become rich, they have to earn profit dishonestly; if profit is shared equally nobody is richer. Somebody is getting short end of the stick to make someone else richer.
If everyone is self-sufficient through out their lives, then technically there is enough to go around. Otherwise, one who holds the resource in high demand won't share it fairly.
Simply put : Income disparity will thrive in resource hungry society where resources are held by few members. Even in self-sufficiency, if population grows then nature has to pay the price. Resources are finite for all kinds of life on earth. If one thrives some other suffers.
Anyway, now it's downvoted; wasted my time wording it.