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Covid Took My Grandfather. But It Wasn’t What Killed Him

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world has any statistics to back this up New Zealand. Taiwan. Vietnam. South Korea.

Yeah it's a lot easier if you are an island, go into super strict lock-down, and can do super-efficient (and privacy invasive) contact tracing before the number of infections even goes over 1 in 100K, like in the countries you mentioned. .. That doesn't contradict anything I said though, I was only commenting on the US situation and whether it could have been contained by 'just wearing masks'.

Few think wearing masks alone could contain the virus.

(Be wary of inventing quotes to make your argument.)

It’s just the simplest, easiest thing most people can do that is effective. A no-brainer first step that slows down the spread, and consequently saves lives and/or lessens the need for harsher measures, like lockdowns.

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“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pi…

Why are people not wearing masks despite it being effective?

Yeah, you can blame those people. They are incredibly irresponsible.

Masks are obviously not the only measure that should be used.

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The article has some valid points. This was my favorite, "a middle-class life threatened on all sides by catastrophe." That's exactly how it is in America. When it comes down to it, you're pretty much on your own. If it weren't for charities, donations and religious groups helping people, many Americans would be ruined.

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> With more than 230,000 Americans dead from a virus that could have been contained It could not have been "contained" in the United States. Half the (ineffectual) stuff we do now is unconstitutional. You cannot restrict religious or other forms of peaceable assembly under our constitution. We've observed quite a bit of that in the past few months. Moreover, 230K is 1/10th the projected number of deaths (2.2M). The "…

This part of the US perspective on covid-19 I don't understand. Everywhere I keep reading comments that suggest you pretty much deserved what you got and americans only have themselves to blame because 'if everyone just wore masks' it 'could have been contained'. Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world shows any statistics to back this up, and the situation is pretty much as bad as or worse in…

Here’s a simple rule for you regarding American politics: can X be blamed on the other side? If yes, then it will be.

Simple as that. Don’t expect any rationality to come from such discussions.

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“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pi…

What is the “outgroup”?

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“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pi…

If someone drops a match in a dry field and a fire starts, and then I stand posturing saying "Don't worry, I've got this, the fire is under control", while trying to not be noticed as I stamp little patches of it with my feet, and as the fire grows I say "I've got it, it's diminishing" while still not doing the utmost, would you call me a fucking idiot for causing the fire to spread?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This part of the US perspective on covid-19 I don't understand. Everywhere I keep reading comments that suggest you pretty much deserved what you got and americans only have themselves to blame because 'if everyone just wore masks' it 'could have been contained'. Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world shows any statistics to back this up, and the situation is pretty much as bad as or worse in…

> Literally nothing suggests that, no other country in the world has any statistics to back this up New Zealand. Taiwan. Vietnam. South Korea.

Mongolia, Thailand

Re: Covid Took My Grandfather. But It Wasn’t What Killed Him

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“Our estimates imply that nationally implementing mandatory face masks for employees in public businesses on March 14th would have reduced the growth rate of cases and that of deaths by approximately 10 percentage points in late April. [...] We estimate that business shutdowns have roughly the same impact on growth rates as mask mandates, albeit with more uncertainty.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pi…

If someone drops a match in a dry field and a fire starts, and then I stand posturing saying "Don't worry, I've got this, the fire is under control", while trying to not be noticed as I stamp little patches of it with my feet, and as the fire grows I say "I've got it, it's diminishing" while still not doing the utmost, would you call me a fucking idiot for causing the fire to spread?

Having to explain this in such simple terms makes me think WFIO.

Re: Covid Took My Grandfather. But It Wasn’t What Killed Him

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What does this story tell us? Nothing. No matter how good the government is, there would be definitely be one preventable death. Also looking at her previous posts, this is like she found the perfect story, or it isn't unlikely she is making up the details.

This story wasn't related to Trump at all and yet reporter mentions trump 16 times by name and many more by pronoun. I hope HN stops upvoting clickbait stories like this just because this anecdote agrees with what you want to read about.

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