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Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by ineedasername »

cheezerman wrote: post #20

Something that I learned recently that blew my mind was that gout is caused primarily from consuming DNA. How? Gout is caused by a buildup of uric acid, which is created in the body as a byproduct of breaking down purines. Purines are essentially broken down pieces of DNA. This makes sense when you discover that beer can cause or worsen gout, because of the large amount of yeast present, but other fermented beverages…

Apart from the non-organic portion of liquids, doesn't just about everything you consumer consist of organic cells filled with DNA? Plants, animals, it's all DNA

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by coldtea »

p1necone wrote: post #28
thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the down votes for an alternative opinion? There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout. Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.

"alternative opinions" are not science.

All opinions on a forum are "alternative opinions". We can't tell if somebody is a scientist here, or whether they're talking shit or not, or whether the consensus (like in many cases) are old wives tales (like "fat is bad for you").

Even peer reviewed papers are "alternative opinions".

Unless it has been peer reviewed in several papers, repeated, empirically proven, and got into textbooks, I wouldn't consider anything a "solid scientific truth".

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by coldtea »

ineedasername wrote: post #31
cheezerman wrote: post #20

Something that I learned recently that blew my mind was that gout is caused primarily from consuming DNA. How? Gout is caused by a buildup of uric acid, which is created in the body as a byproduct of breaking down purines. Purines are essentially broken down pieces of DNA. This makes sense when you discover that beer can cause or worsen gout, because of the large amount of yeast present, but other fermented beverages…

Apart from the non-organic portion of liquids, doesn't just about everything you consumer consist of organic cells filled with DNA? Plants, animals, it's all DNA

Yes, but parent says " Purines are essentially broken down pieces of DNA". Are those all "broken down DNA"?

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by ineedasername »

Guthur wrote: post #26
peter_retief wrote: post #19

I wish there was a paywall warning on posts...

Not sure why this gets down voted, the sentiment has merit. How can we have a discussion around exclusive content?

Yes, which isn't to say that only free content should be posted, but tagging it paywalled would at least let people know "Yeah, I can't rtfm, so I won't bother"

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by easytiger »

thomasfromcdnjs wrote: post #25
centimeter wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe the current scientific consensus has meat consumption as a risk factor for gout. I read a paper recently that specifically mentioned that simple sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose) and purine. Purine is present in quantity in certain organ meats, but not meats that most people eat frequently, and you're more likely to get it from legumes.

Why the down votes for an alternative opinion? There are a lot of people who saying the same thing. There are a lot of papers on the fact that beans and nuts increase changes of gout. Edit: I will just add, it seems to be the last half century of nutrition "science" has largely been wrong. I hope more people keep exploring things for themselves instead of getting our top down advice from the experts.

It's not an alternative opinion, that's the prevailing concensus

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by foobar1962 »

LeCow wrote: post #30

Dispelling bullshit time. Gout isn't caused by what you eat, it's an underlying problem with your kidneys/liver/body and an inability to extract uric acid. It can be exasterbated by drinking beer, dehydration, red meat etc. Saying it's caused by what you eat is a bit like saying peanuts cause peanut allergies, or eating gluten causes coeliacs. You already have the condition, the things you eat makes it worse. I've be…

Do you suffer gout? I do, and what I eat very much matters.

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by refulgentis »

coldtea wrote: post #33
ineedasername wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from the non-organic portion of liquids, doesn't just about everything you consumer consist of organic cells filled with DNA? Plants, animals, it's all DNA

Yes, but parent says " Purines are essentially broken down pieces of DNA". Are those all "broken down DNA"?

I imagine that after digestion, yes, it would be broken down DNA

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by LeCow »

foobar1962 wrote: post #36
LeCow wrote: post #30

Dispelling bullshit time. Gout isn't caused by what you eat, it's an underlying problem with your kidneys/liver/body and an inability to extract uric acid. It can be exasterbated by drinking beer, dehydration, red meat etc. Saying it's caused by what you eat is a bit like saying peanuts cause peanut allergies, or eating gluten causes coeliacs. You already have the condition, the things you eat makes it worse. I've be…

Do you suffer gout? I do, and what I eat very much matters.

You already have gout, what you eat makes it worse. And yes I have it extremely badly, I'm on high dose allopurinol.

I explained all of this in my original post.

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by ineedasername »

coldtea wrote: post #33
ineedasername wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from the non-organic portion of liquids, doesn't just about everything you consumer consist of organic cells filled with DNA? Plants, animals, it's all DNA

Yes, but parent says " Purines are essentially broken down pieces of DNA". Are those all "broken down DNA"?

The parent said it was caused by consuming DNA. All DNA is broken down during digestion.

That is not a useful generalization if it's actually a small sliver of broken down DNA that causes the issue. It's like saying "all food-borne illness is caused by eating DNA." It may be literally correct, but is general to the point of adding no value in understanding the specific cause of the problem.

Re: Once the disease of gluttonous aristocrats, gout is now tormenting the masses

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Post by TrackerFF »

Got gout the first time when I as 23 - at around 185 pounds and very fit. I was cutting down for summer, and had switched over to a very high-protein diet. The first time, I thought I had broke my toe, or gotten an infection - it was absolutely horrible.

I get it roughly 2-3-4 times a year now, and it is always after the following pattern:

- Not drinking enough water

- Eating too much chicken

- Drinking too much beer

Often in combination. Luckily, that makes my gout incredibly predictable - and I have found meds which work. As soon as I take meds fast enough during the onset, I'm fine.

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