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Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by OxO4 »

Zhyl wrote: post #5
azamba wrote: post #2

Does anyone use Mutt with gmail or alikes today? Is it worth it? Mutt was my preferred email client back in 2000-2004. But gave it up for Gmail web interface.

Yes, set up with Luke Smith's excellent mutt Wizard [0]. Contrary to the other point, having a local copy of my emails gives me a sense of security and I can set up scripts using normal scripting tools to move stuff around. `notmuch` is good, but actually I can meet most of my searching needs with a 'limit' filter. [0] https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/mutt-wizard

FWIW, Luke Smith has some problematic political views (as in far right/alt-right). You do you but I personally avoid sharing/using any of his content for that reason.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by rjzzleep »

k2enemy wrote: post #9
freedomben wrote: post #4

So mutt is still receiving releases? That's neat. I may have to revisit and see what's new in 2.0. I went through a CLI-only phase where I didn't use a desktop environment. My "DE" was just tmux in a pseudo-terminal. The main reason I went back to a graphical workstation was a need for G Suite and Slack's horrible support for Weechat. Mutt was a critical member of the toolkit and I have fond memories of hyper product…

I you revisit, be sure to check out notmuch as the search backend. It is super fast and has a nice and powerful search syntax. [1] https://notmuchmail.org/notmuch-mutt/

I recommend you take a look at neomutt. Neomutt integrates notmuch by default and has a lot of the patches that mutt never merged in it.

https://neomutt.org/feature

https://github.com/neomutt/neomutt

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by aidenn0 »

ravi-delia wrote: post #10
azamba wrote: post #2

Does anyone use Mutt with gmail or alikes today? Is it worth it? Mutt was my preferred email client back in 2000-2004. But gave it up for Gmail web interface.

I use Mutt with gmail. For a while I hooked it up to read off the internet, but eventually I switched to OfflineIMAP, then to isync. For sending I us msmtp. Both are pretty straightforward to configure, especially compared to mutt itself. I'd definitely recommend using notmuch if you do decide to keep that local copy of your mail, the search is pretty incredible.

What was the advantage of isync? I'm currently using offlineimap.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by swiley »

freedomben wrote: post #4

So mutt is still receiving releases? That's neat. I may have to revisit and see what's new in 2.0. I went through a CLI-only phase where I didn't use a desktop environment. My "DE" was just tmux in a pseudo-terminal. The main reason I went back to a graphical workstation was a need for G Suite and Slack's horrible support for Weechat. Mutt was a critical member of the toolkit and I have fond memories of hyper product…

This was the reason for me personally switching from alpine to mutt. One day I realized the only place I could find a copy of the source was on my own harddrive and that's when I bit the bullet and started figuring out the mutt UI/config.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by adiM »

swiley wrote: post #35
freedomben wrote: post #4

So mutt is still receiving releases? That's neat. I may have to revisit and see what's new in 2.0. I went through a CLI-only phase where I didn't use a desktop environment. My "DE" was just tmux in a pseudo-terminal. The main reason I went back to a graphical workstation was a need for G Suite and Slack's horrible support for Weechat. Mutt was a critical member of the toolkit and I have fond memories of hyper product…

This was the reason for me personally switching from alpine to mutt. One day I realized the only place I could find a copy of the source was on my own harddrive and that's when I bit the bullet and started figuring out the mutt UI/config.

I started with pine about 20 years ago and have been using it since then (through the pine -> alpine -> re-alpine -> alpine cycle) but have never used Mutt. What are the advantages of mutt compared to alpine?

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by apatters »

freedomben wrote: post #4

So mutt is still receiving releases? That's neat. I may have to revisit and see what's new in 2.0. I went through a CLI-only phase where I didn't use a desktop environment. My "DE" was just tmux in a pseudo-terminal. The main reason I went back to a graphical workstation was a need for G Suite and Slack's horrible support for Weechat. Mutt was a critical member of the toolkit and I have fond memories of hyper product…

I tried to go CLI only at one point but never quite got there.

It did, however, teach me a healthy appreciation for the benefits of pushing parts of my workflow into the terminal whenever possible. The terminal is distraction-free, highly scriptable, and your mode of interaction is always the same (type things!). Afterwards I ended up switching to Xubuntu + i3wm and never looked back. I've still got a copy of Windows 10 on a random machine and I interact with Macs occasionally, and it really seems like little of importance has been introduced to the graphical desktop paradigm since at least Windows 2000.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by stevekemp »

gpanders wrote: post #27

The conditional option setting with MuttLisp will be very useful

I was often frustrated there wasn't a complete scripting language integrated with Mutt, so people had to make hacks to do things in a fully scriptable fashion.

I put together a console based client, inspired by mutt, but fully developed and configured with Lua to resolve that problem - https://lumail.org/

I had a good few years working on it, and really liked the way it was "modal". Sadly I never quite got enough users to be worth continuing with. These days I pay for gsuite instead, and use offline IMAP only to keep a backup of the remote mails.

It was an interesting thing to work on, and I've been following the new aerc client to see what happens there. I'm sure there is still room for new console based mail-clients, perhaps mine was just a bit too unfamiliar!

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by feanaro »

aidenn0 wrote: post #34
ravi-delia wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Mutt with gmail. For a while I hooked it up to read off the internet, but eventually I switched to OfflineIMAP, then to isync. For sending I us msmtp. Both are pretty straightforward to configure, especially compared to mutt itself. I'd definitely recommend using notmuch if you do decide to keep that local copy of your mail, the search is pretty incredible.

What was the advantage of isync? I'm currently using offlineimap.

Last time I tried it, and I heard that's still the case, offlineimap had some sporadic instabilities that have not been fixed for years. I don't remember the exact details, but it just stops working in some situations and you have to restart it.

isync/mbsync are rock-solid on the other hand and were really easy to set up.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by ravi-delia »

aidenn0 wrote: post #34
ravi-delia wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Mutt with gmail. For a while I hooked it up to read off the internet, but eventually I switched to OfflineIMAP, then to isync. For sending I us msmtp. Both are pretty straightforward to configure, especially compared to mutt itself. I'd definitely recommend using notmuch if you do decide to keep that local copy of your mail, the search is pretty incredible.

What was the advantage of isync? I'm currently using offlineimap.

I find that isync is much faster, and much more reliable. Offlineimap would often run out of memory, or silently fail dozens of times in a row.
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