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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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What's more surprising is how close this was given the past four years.

Close in the Electoral College, where it matters; quite distant in the popular vote. The gap is estimated to be about 4 million more votes for Biden at this time, it is also the most votes for a president in US history. e: I will concede that it is not "quite distant", though it may not end up close in the EC when it's all said and done either.

4 million is not a lot in country of 330 million. The popular vote was close to 50/50.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Trump has been a cancer of the America. He has deinstitutionalized pretty much any institution, sowed deep hatred in the country and did absolutely nothing good in last 4 years. He is and was unfit for any public office, let alone presidency. HN loves to be neutral and thoughtful, but Trump needs to be condemned in the strongest way possible. It is orthogonal to say "Oh the people voted him in", in the same way we do…

Hitler did rise because of the people, and the Nazi party won 37% of the vote allowing them to lead the governing coalition in 1932.

Fascism is very popular among people who don't expect to be its victims.

Edit: -2 for historical facts?

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Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought?

Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and the Republican state legislature played a major role in expanding voter access in Georgia the last couple of years (obviously they’re the ones with the actual power to change the election laws): https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/vote...

> Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said the increase in registered voters shows the success of automatic voter registration and highlights other ways election officials have improved voting access, such as absentee voting for anyone who requests a mailed ballot and three weeks of early voting.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

> A refusing to leave president.

No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Close in the Electoral College, where it matters; quite distant in the popular vote. The gap is estimated to be about 4 million more votes for Biden at this time, it is also the most votes for a president in US history. e: I will concede that it is not "quite distant", though it may not end up close in the EC when it's all said and done either.

4 million is not a lot in country of 330 million. The popular vote was close to 50/50.

According to Nate Silver:

> Biden is likely to wind up with one of the higher percentages of votes as a share of the U.S. population that we’ve seen in a long time

Referencing this tweet, text copied below as well https://twitter.com/jtlevy/status/1324408585590329345

[credit: Jacob T. Levy]

  vote share * turnout

  Reagan 1984: 53.3*58.8= 31.3%

  W Bush 2004: 50.7*56.7=28.7%

  Obama 2008: 52.9*58.2=30.8%

  Biden 2020, estimated: 51*66 = 33.7%

  counted so far: 50.5*60.3=30.4% (as of 2020-11-05)

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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We just had an election with widespread mail in voting with extended deadlines and historic turnout. And if anything Trump’s support among non-white voters went up. What does that suggest re: the scale of voter suppression?

The GOP actively sought, across the country, to handicap or prevent mail and absentee voting to suppress votes that typically fall to Democrats. The president tweeted about unproven voter fraud and to stop counting votes. If that isn’t attempts at brazen voter suppression, I don’t know what is. Democracy was stress tested, and it still worked.

Oregon and Colorado have successfully done mail in voting for years, with safeguards like ballots having to arrive by Election Day and signature verification. Democrats fought to get rid of rules like that all over the country, and succeeded in Pennsylvania.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and t…

This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post.

If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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That's because, despite all the "it's Russia's fault" hysteria, Trump more or less represents about 50% of Americans- as these elections have just shown. The scary part (to me, as a European) is that this means that a good chunk of the other 50%, while certainly despising Trump, cannot be ideologically that distant- they live in the same country and immersed in the same culture after all.

Also he is a sitting president with a decent economy. It takes a lot for an incumbent to not win re-election at that point. Somewhat sane coronavirus response and Trump would have an easy victory.

It's probably impossible for Trump's coronavirus response to have been seen as sane or reasonable, regardless of what he did. For example, Biden very publicly claimed without basis that Trump's China travel ban actually made things worse, whilst meanwhile here in the UK one of the avenues of attack on our government (which is seen as Trump-like) is that our scientists reckon that not introducing a ban on travel from China almost exactly like Trump's made things worse. Trump gets attacked for not imposing a centrally-mandated lockdown, ours gets attacked for imposing too much centralized command and control and not leaving things up to regions. And so on and so forth. Also, no matter how much Covid testing either the UK or US does, it's always described as though it's falling behing the rest of the world regardless of facts. (I wonder if that will magically fix itself once Biden takes office.) And as for hoping to get good outcomes overall... look at what's been happening throughout Europe. It would take something more like a miracle than a basic, workable response of the kind you could expect from a government of typical competence to get good enough results that it wouldn't be seen as a failure. France, run by someone the entire media spun as basically the anti-Trump, has been reporting about half as many cases a day as the entire US with a rather smaller population and they don't seem to be slowing down.

The coronavirus pandemic seems close to a no-win scenario. Even most of the success stories (which, I should note, always seem to be countries very different to Europe and the US) are a lot messier and more ambigious than they look from the million-mile foreign press view.

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