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Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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I grew up in NZ and find it hilarious when I see a tub of manuka honey in a supermarket in the US. This is the most genius marketing ripoff of all time. Most honey you could buy in NZ back then was either clover honey or manuka honey, it cost about $3 for the same amount, and there was nothing special about manuka honey. Manuka is just teatree, by the way. And all honey has the same antimicrobial properties -- it has…

>And all honey has the same antimicrobial properties -- it has nothing to do with hydrogen peroxide and definitely nothing to do with UMF. The reason honey kills microbes is it has exceptionally low water content.

Nah. It's about dihydroxyacetone and methylglyoxal, which are found in what is referred to as "active" mānuka honey, and which are not found (or at least not found in such high concentrations) in honey from other flowers. Dihydroxyacetone in mānuka honey converts to methylglyoxal over time. Not all honey from mānuka is "active", and there is an ongoing fight between NZ beekeepers and the NZ Ministry of Primary Industries about the latter's guidelines for what constitutes mānuka honey.

Some or all of these details are glossed over in the article, which is pretty low-quality for HN, but this has probably gone unnoticed because it's a long way from most readers' usual fields of expertise.

I think it is silly for people to buy expensive honey with labels claiming high antibacterial properties, high activity, etc, when there are no proven medical benefits to just eating it. On the other hand, its efficiency as a topical (iirc) antibacterial relative to other honeys is scientifically proven, but you generally can't use the off-the-shelf stuff for that no matter how strong the label says it is. However... people buy all kinds of silly things, and if there's a premium market for such things overseas, and no full-on marketing lies are being told, then I'm all for it. NZ needs a few high-value, high-scarcity exports to make up for all the thousands of tons of milk formula, etc.

I just wanted to push back on the idea that the whole thing isn't science-based at its core. It is. However, it's true that the marketing hype and shady practices (mixing mānuka honey with lower-value kānuka because the two can be very hard to distinguish in testing...) were out of control for a while there, and this has been reigned in somewhat by the MPI guidelines, even if those guidelines have created additional stress and strife for beekeepers in some cases.

edit: A very short primer on DHA and MG in mānuka honey: https://www.analytica.co.nz/Portals/0/Docs/Articles/DHA_MG_a...

edit 2: If any of you readers in the UK or US find yourselves standing in front of a whole shelf full of expensive imported New Zealand honey, try the Arataki rewarewa honey, which is from a honeysuckle-esque NZ native tree. That stuff is incredible.

Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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I had an interesting chat with John McDermott at the IoT meetup in Auckland last week. He said that honey is one of the most difficult markets for IoT. What's so hard about it? Connectivity isn't great in NZ - there's no phone signal in the remote places where beehives are common. Artisan beekeepers don't care about analytics to increase their yield; they're just doing it for fun (sometimes after retiring from other…

Getting stolen is the only thing I could think of, temperature and hive humidity aren't usually problems, the beekeeper doesn't control those things, the bees do. Maybe there are a few other things it could be used for but i'm not sure what.

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post #11

I grew up in NZ and find it hilarious when I see a tub of manuka honey in a supermarket in the US. This is the most genius marketing ripoff of all time. Most honey you could buy in NZ back then was either clover honey or manuka honey, it cost about $3 for the same amount, and there was nothing special about manuka honey. Manuka is just teatree, by the way. And all honey has the same antimicrobial properties -- it has…

Exactly, manuka honey was always just ordinary honey in NZ! It's like this article is from an alternate reality or something.

Older beekeepers in NZ will tell you that until the late 1990s/early 00s, it wasn't even considered commercially viable and was only suitable as winter feed for bees, because all anybody wanted to buy was clover. There was not much space in the market for darker honeys from the NZ bush and scragglier hill country. This fit perfectly with the mindset of thousands of NZ farmers, who were diligently clearing the mānuka off their land because it was "scrub" that could be replaced with grass. Fast-forward to the year 2020 C.E. and Comvita is doing mānuka plantations...

Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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I don't really understand the point of advertising the 'anti-microbial' properties. Antiseptic creams are far less expensive if you're applying it to wounds. Ingesting something for its anti-microbial properties seems a bit strange when there is plenty of research suggesting that having a healthy gut microbiome is beneficial[0]. People eat certain kinds of yoghurt for the very purpose of encouraging gut microbe activ…

Honey is food and cheap. And easily available. And natural. What’s not to love?

Manuka honey is certainly not cheap

Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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My mate has several barrels of the highest grade manuka honey from the back of his farm. It's very tingy, to the point of being unpalatable. The sad truth is that most of the commercial manuka honey is nowhere near the purity to get any medicinal benefit, but it tastes much nicer.

Most commercial grade mānuka honey is more than pure enough to get medicinal benefits. That is what UMF is.

Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've got poisonwood honey.. wait til you try Turkish seasonal... HALLUCINOGENIC honey.. (sorry for clickbaity) which actually exists and is a "thing"

I wonder how honey from marijuana would taste like...I guess they don’t have nectar? Anyone knows?

They are wind pollinated not bee pollinated. Maybe in theory bees could collect some pollen but it would be a stretch to get THC into honey.

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I'd love to see buckwheat honey in the US. It's dark brown, and it's much tastier than "regular" honey IMO.

buckwheat honey could be an acquired taste for some. i love it. it's definitely available. buckwheat is a summer cover crop. that means the (good) beekeepers would allow the bees to keep some for their own food for fall/winter feeding. also...dont know a lot of people who summer cover crop anymore. i guess its definitely niche, but certainly available in the usa. i cant control where my bees go foraging. so i just la…

Buckwheat is grown as a grain crop in some parts of the US and Canada.

Re: Manuka, the World’s Most Coveted Honey (2018)

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I don't really understand the point of advertising the 'anti-microbial' properties. Antiseptic creams are far less expensive if you're applying it to wounds. Ingesting something for its anti-microbial properties seems a bit strange when there is plenty of research suggesting that having a healthy gut microbiome is beneficial[0]. People eat certain kinds of yoghurt for the very purpose of encouraging gut microbe activ…

Honey is food and cheap. And easily available. And natural. What’s not to love?

Concentrated sugar is unhealthy in all but small doses.
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