My Resignation from the Intercept • Hacker News Board

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by throwaway3699 » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

What do you make of the idea that independent journalists on the web being the future?

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by tpmx » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

The first two of the three hours of him being a guest on Joe Rogan yesterday were brilliant. I've never heard someone so eloquently tear down the shiny facades of what passes as high-brow "journalism" these days.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by SamBam » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

DevKoala wrote: post #5

We are witnessing the biggest concerted censorship effort in the history of the USA. One for the history books, depending on who gets to write it in the future. Regardless of whether or not you believe on Tony Bubolinsky, you should at the very least have the opportunity to hear him and make up your own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLfBRgeFFo

How is not publishing an unverifiable story "censorship"? That's what we trust real news organizations to do.

And saying that they should at least publish the controversy is absurd -- first of all, the Times did publish the controversy days ago [1], and second of all, it basically allows the peddlers of these unverifiable stories to dictate the news.

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-bid...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by tolbish » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

It would be so very, very interesting if Trump were to pardon Snowden.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

bachmeier wrote: post #20

"as a last-ditch attempt to avoid being censored, I encouraged them to air their disagreements with me by writing their own articles that critique my perspectives and letting readers decide who is right" That's not how this works. If the editor concludes that it's a garbage story dropped a few days before the election in an attempt to influence the election, you don't run it and then "let the readers decide who is ri…

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by RspecMAuthortah » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #3

Greenwald has really fascinated me the past decade. He was on track to being one of the most prolific reporters on the planet, and he has gone really down this weird victimhood "censorship" path. Sometimes it’s legitimate censorship. Other times, your editor is just insisting you don’t spread misinformation.

who defines what is misinformation and by what standard? it seems any opinion that doesn't conform to mainstream ideologies are now labeled as misinformation.

the whole point of his article he published is you don't shut down opinions and works of other journalists just because you don't agree with it as an editor.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jjeaff » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

DevKoala wrote: post #5

We are witnessing the biggest concerted censorship effort in the history of the USA. One for the history books, depending on who gets to write it in the future. Regardless of whether or not you believe on Tony Bubolinsky, you should at the very least have the opportunity to hear him and make up your own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLfBRgeFFo

That's some pretty weak censorship if there are public YouTube links to it.

The only way this will make history is if it pans out to anything besides what everyone already knows, which is that Hunter Biden is an addict and has been profiting off his family name.

Any evidence connecting that to Joe is very weak so far.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by macspoofing » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

When William Roper argued that he'd "cut down every law in England" in order to get the Devil, Thomas More responded with: "And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?" ...

This is where the entire mainstream center-left/left news establishment, along with the DNC, ended up after 2016. Trump broke people's brains. It's as simple as that.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jtdev » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

karlkatzke wrote: post #18

dkdk8283 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exerpt: > refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden

Keep in mind that this is Greenwald's perception. The story he's referring to has so many holes in it that it's more of a mesh than a woven cloth. Maybe a lace. There isn't much to it except criticism of Biden. Removing criticism of Biden just makes it threadbare and tawdry.

Please elaborate on what you perceive to be holes in this story.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by __blockcipher__ » Thu, Oct 29, 2020, 6:10 PM UTC

pfisch wrote: post #11

DevKoala wrote: post #5

We are witnessing the biggest concerted censorship effort in the history of the USA. One for the history books, depending on who gets to write it in the future. Regardless of whether or not you believe on Tony Bubolinsky, you should at the very least have the opportunity to hear him and make up your own mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLfBRgeFFo

In what sense? The media has always censored information that can't be verified. Nytimes doesn't publish articles about flat earth theory. Even Fox News actual News division refuses to run these Hunter Biden stories. Same thing with Seth Rich, or ideas about crisis actors. How is this different?

This is information that is trivially verifiable and has been verified by numerous sources.

There's already been leaks such as a video of Hunter Biden smoking crack while receiving a footjob (edit: if this seems crude, I'm mentioning it as something that makes it very clear that the info is real) so unless you think it's a deepfake - or that they hacked it from his iCloud account and made up the story about the laptop repair shop - then you cannot deny the veracity of the story.

It's also been corroborated by people like the aforementioned Bobulinski. If this were truly a false story it would be trivial for the Biden campaign to deny the allegations.

The reason this story is not being reported is not because it's not "verifiable"; even ignoring that it is verifiable, the media had no trouble publishing the unverified story of Trump's tax returns, the unverified and now completely debunked Russia collusion hoax (if you're not read up on it, please don't reflexively downvote - with what we know today it is now certain that it was actually a manufactured hoax and not just an innocent misunderstanding), etc. So there is absolutely a double standard at play and it's very plain to see if you go look for it, but if you just stick to CNN and other mainstream media you will literally never see the full story (or even a fraction of it).