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Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by throwaway189262 »

vkaku wrote: post #23

IMO: Any protocol or mechanism written by Google is surely to give it more control over the Internet, hence advertising and hence revenue. Not only AMP, but HTTP 2, QUIC, DNS over HTTPS are all things that Google wanted to have control over. I certainly hope the free internet moves into Tor and the rest of the dark web, and is certainly not indexable by Google. Also, stop using Google Chrome if you wish to do the web…

Android is the worst part of their monopoly. They control everything on the phone down to the hardware.

Mobile desperately needs an "IBM compatible" moment to usher in free use of other operating systems

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by ffpip »

Google234 wrote: post #24
mhh__ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They must have calculated they can't survive at their current ad impression rates, hence the forcing people onto their app at literally any cost these days. It wouldn't be as much of a problem if the app actually worked well, but it doesn't

Are there more ads on the app?

They push awards and coins heavily on the app. Like you get constant prompts to spend money on fake karma, digital coins and stuff

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by iso1210 »

throwaway189262 wrote: post #31
vkaku wrote: post #23

IMO: Any protocol or mechanism written by Google is surely to give it more control over the Internet, hence advertising and hence revenue. Not only AMP, but HTTP 2, QUIC, DNS over HTTPS are all things that Google wanted to have control over. I certainly hope the free internet moves into Tor and the rest of the dark web, and is certainly not indexable by Google. Also, stop using Google Chrome if you wish to do the web…

Android is the worst part of their monopoly. They control everything on the phone down to the hardware. Mobile desperately needs an "IBM compatible" moment to usher in free use of other operating systems

https://ausdroid.net/2020/10/28/xda-made-a-phone-damn-right-...

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by GuB-42 »

wilt wrote: post #6

I hate AMP. It is just a tech to give google more control. Anything to helps kill it off is a good thing. It is possible to create pages that load fast on mobile without it.

> It is possible to create pages that load fast on mobile without it.

Sure, except few people do. And Google seized the opportunity here. Most of the times, the AMP site is faster, there is real value added for the end user, and Google used that positive experience to sneak in their stuff. It would never have happened if sites were fast to begin with.

Like I always say about AMP, there are two parts to it: some sort of enforced guidelines that ensure your pages are fast. This is the good part. And there is Google stuff. But you know what, AMP is open source, so take the code, strip off the Google parts and you have a website that is even faster, and independent. That's something I've never seen done, and yet, that's probably the best for the end user.

Instead, most website owners who complain about AMP do it for the "wrong" reasons. They want to load up their site with 10 different trackers, popups and other annoyances. They don't care about your privacy or going through Google servers, in fact, they most likely already have Google tracking and ads enabled in their non-AMP site.

That's the saddest part, because of years of laziness and overzealous marketing, AMP is actually good for users.

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by fxtentacle »

iso1210 wrote: post #34
throwaway189262 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is the worst part of their monopoly. They control everything on the phone down to the hardware. Mobile desperately needs an "IBM compatible" moment to usher in free use of other operating systems

https://ausdroid.net/2020/10/28/xda-made-a-phone-damn-right-...

Thank you for sharing this :)

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by 082349872349872 »

TMWNN wrote: post #4
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #2

Google will just point out than any website can block their scraping with a robots.txt and they will just say they will stop using news if they are forced to pay. And from one of the articles linked: > But the immediate boost in readership won’t offset the virus’s brutal impact on the pillars holding up the business, publishing executives say. Local advertising spending could fall this year by at least a quarter, amo…

>Frankly, I just don't see the general population willing to pay as much for news as it did in the past. The big stories will be available for free somewhere and even local news can be found on Twitter/social media. The Wall Street Journal seems to be making its paywall work. I think the New York Times 's semi-paywall is doing OK, but that's more to do with the massive surge in readers it gained after ramping up its…

I would guess wealthy people who own multiple not-local-to-them newspapers are funding the legislators in TFA.

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by Angostura »

GuB-42 wrote: post #35
wilt wrote: post #6

I hate AMP. It is just a tech to give google more control. Anything to helps kill it off is a good thing. It is possible to create pages that load fast on mobile without it.

> It is possible to create pages that load fast on mobile without it. Sure, except few people do. And Google seized the opportunity here. Most of the times, the AMP site is faster, there is real value added for the end user, and Google used that positive experience to sneak in their stuff. It would never have happened if sites were fast to begin with. Like I always say about AMP, there are two parts to it: some sort…

Google could have incentivised fast loading mobile pages just fine without AMP, by promoting fast pages in search results, or perhaps putting a red 'Slow' tag in search results next to slow pages.

Oddly, they didn't do that.

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by ceejayoz »

Google234 wrote: post #24
mhh__ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They must have calculated they can't survive at their current ad impression rates, hence the forcing people onto their app at literally any cost these days. It wouldn't be as much of a problem if the app actually worked well, but it doesn't

Are there more ads on the app?

More ad tracking too, I suspect. I'd imagine Reddit's audience is fairly heavy on ad/privacy blocking; can't do that in the app.

Re: Lawmakers Want to Protect Local Newspapers From Google, Facebook

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Post by Hokusai »

cute_boi wrote: post #15
ffpip wrote: post #3

Google gives special preference to AMP sites in search, images and google news. Google is also removing non-AMP URLs from Google News. fucking everything is loaded from their servers nowadays

ads is literally destroying internet and these ads company are milking so much profit and we cannot do anything otherthan using adblocker and firefox :(

That is a great point. We are creating an Internet-nightmare in a Red Queen's race. Advertise companies compete in price to get the best target audience increasing prices and lowering value. Users are bombarded with creepy ads that follow them around the internet and allow to all kind of abuses. Google/Facebook profit from both sides dictating the rules and create echo chambers that feet in hate and outrage to increase views. Quite a dystopia all to send ads to people, that were already receiving them anyway.
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