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I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

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Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

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The fact Apple uses SMS for 2FA tells you everything you need to know: it's pure security theater.

I've never had an SMS MFA from Apple. It's always been sent through to other registered apple devices through their network and OS.

New logins to iCloud etc always pop up on my MacBook / iPhone with a map image showing me where the request came from and if I want to allow it, o my then can I get the code.

No idea what this article is on about.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#32

I've noticed that he has an app called "Whoscall" installed providing Caller ID in the Phone app. I wonder if this has access to Messages on the phone and is able to read/upload SMS? A quick search online suggests that this is a Chinese app.

It is my understanding that Apple’s API for supplementing Caller ID info (and also optionally blocking calls) requires an app to provide a database of numbers in advance, and the system queries that database locally. The app does not get any access to call history or Messages history.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#33

How was 2FA bypassed here?

> How was 2FA bypassed here?

very likely a sim swap attack:

"A SIM swap scam is a type of account takeover fraud that generally targets a weakness in two-factor authentication and two-step verification in which the second factor or step is a text message or call placed to a mobile telephone." [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_swap_scam

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#34
post #24

The fact Apple uses SMS for 2FA tells you everything you need to know: it's pure security theater.

Apple 2FA only use SMS if there isn't a more secure method available and it must be explicitly selected when enabling 2FA. From 2016, the default is trusted Apple devices (running a minimum of iOS 9 or MacOS 10.11) or web browsers that are registered to your Apple ID. It can fallback to an automated phone call with two trusted phone numbers.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#35

That article doesn’t say anything at all about Apple’s security.

I'm not sure if I missed something crucial (or several things?) but this seems to be entirely an essay on how SMS is an antifactor in authentication. That they're using Apple devices and services doesn't seem to factor in to it.

what is wrong with SMS? I don't see how it is easily compromised.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I missed something crucial (or several things?) but this seems to be entirely an essay on how SMS is an antifactor in authentication. That they're using Apple devices and services doesn't seem to factor in to it.

what is wrong with SMS? I don't see how it is easily compromised.

Social engineering (or bribing) the carrier's customer service monkeys to do a SIM swap which will allow the attacker to receive your 2FA texts.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#37
Inevitable torrent of "It was your fault for X, Y or Z reason".

Nobody is perfect.

Every system has known or unknown vulnerabilities.

We need to be building systems that are forgiving of errors, and store important data redundantly.

I've been wondering a lot about how to truly secure an identity. Is there a way to have a meaningful and secure digital life if all your devices could be compromised and your memory is not perfect? I wouldn't want to trust my entire economic life to any single point of failure.

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I missed something crucial (or several things?) but this seems to be entirely an essay on how SMS is an antifactor in authentication. That they're using Apple devices and services doesn't seem to factor in to it.

what is wrong with SMS? I don't see how it is easily compromised.

Theoretically, someone could exploit a vulnerability in the SS7 [0]. I’m not sure how common these are in the wild, but it had happened before.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_System_No._7

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

#39

So, what does this say about Apple security? There's a lot of speculation and insinuation that all the security lapses started with the purchase of a refurbished MacBook, but there's zero evidence other than some coincidental timing. The author clearly wasn't using many security precautions prior to being compromised. They had many interconnected accounts; reused passwords; limited use of 2FA; phone/SMS-based 2FA in…

Sometime back, I had 2fa set up on a phone, which eventually gave up the ghost. What this did was to lock me out of google and many other services I depended on. Most painful was being locked out of email. Any suggestion on how to mitigate device/ hardware failure?

You can scan the same QR code with multiple devices or (less secure but mayve reasonable) save the code somehow.

Some apps also let you export the token (but definitely not Google Authenticator, that app's data doesn't even get backed up).

Re: I got hacked, lost crypto and what it says about Apple’s security. Part 1

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post #24

The fact Apple uses SMS for 2FA tells you everything you need to know: it's pure security theater.

Apple doesn’t use sms 2fa, more to the point any message you get from someone not in your contact list gets red text added to the bottom saying “Apple will never ask you for any information over messages”

The Apple 2fa model is built around trusted devices - essentially turning each trusted device into a yubikey style hardware 2fa dongle.

Verification prompts also include gps level “this is where the request is coming from”. So the attacker needs to know your exact location when they’re going after you.

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