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The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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It's an interesting find. The difference between these sites and spam sites is that they are mostly self-contained comment boards. You have to actually go do them to interact with them, where spammers were breaking the internet.

What clicked for me in this article is asking why I ever thought the internet was about ideas, what it might have meant pre-internet for people to be free of a "mainstream" in the old music and style subcultures, and what the consequences of "eternal september," really were.

When we say mainstream, I think we mean aligned to the dominant power, and the culture that comes with a mainstream is based on litigating rules for incremental advantage. Internet trolls use the higher bar for entry of tech focused platforms to harass people who are competing in the desperate political struggle for approval that is mainstream social media. Conversely, this mainstream culture is also the source of the visceral disgust some people have for lawyers, journalists, activists, and other people who affect being underdogs so they aren't held to the standards of honest people, and then antagonize others using those dominant rules as a cover. The same can be said for trolls. What it comes down to is this calculus of self permission to act like a piece of shit because you identify as the underdog.

It's not the platforms, it's the single idea that identifying as an outsider, resister, pariah, defender, or challenger, justifies cruelty because being "good," is defined by your chosen bugbear. The reality is the mainstream is not "good," the public sphere is an open sewer, and the only things that float in it are turds. It's not a right/left thing, it's a conflict between people competing for mainstream power and people trying to find freedom from that mainstream's domain, with some of each self-identifying as beneath decency.

The conspiracy-sphere of alternative internet platforms isn't the problem. I would defend the necessity of their existence because trying and failing and building new things requires real privacy away from the mindless predation of both the mainstream and the pariah net. Sure, take them down as a forcing function to make the new private sphere stronger with a higher bar to entry that is cryptographically enabled, but it's not solving the problem they think.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also spend a lot of time on 4chan, and visit 8chan occasionally. There is a universe of difference between them, and calls to shut down 4chan are much rarer and more ignorant of the content than calls to shut down 8chan. It's important not to conflate them.

Could you go into more detail?

8chan was created when 4chan disallowed child pornography and their owner bought it when all this QAnon stuff started.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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post #26

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> The best antidote for bad ideas and conspiracy theories is transparency and public debate. I've been on the internet for decades. I fully disagree with this. EDIT: Mass bannings, aka an "Exodus Event", was the solution to almost all major conspiracies I've witnessed. 1. When GameFAQs LUEsers gained conspiracy theories against the website and other reckless behavior, to the point of harming the website, the solution…

There's 9 hits for the hard-R N-word on 4chan's /pol/ board right now. >We don't see Gamergaters pushing their silly conspiracy theories today According to a 4chan archive site, there have been 4,845 mentions of "gamergate" this year alone. So that's absolutely false.

Only 9 basically proves OPs point. I haven’t been near 4chan for over a decade but it was more like 9 times per post back in the day(a slight exaggeration)

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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post #9

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>but also so, so, soooo didn't want to upvote a Krebs article and give him the Ads revenue from the page views. what's wrong with kerbs?

Some people don't like that he doxes people.

We're all Internet users here and reporting the news isn't what we are going to consider doxxing.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The best antidote for bad ideas and conspiracy theories is transparency and public debate. I've been on the internet for decades. I fully disagree with this. EDIT: Mass bannings, aka an "Exodus Event", was the solution to almost all major conspiracies I've witnessed. 1. When GameFAQs LUEsers gained conspiracy theories against the website and other reckless behavior, to the point of harming the website, the solution…

There's 9 hits for the hard-R N-word on 4chan's /pol/ board right now. >We don't see Gamergaters pushing their silly conspiracy theories today According to a 4chan archive site, there have been 4,845 mentions of "gamergate" this year alone. So that's absolutely false.

> According to a 4chan archive site, there have been 4,845 mentions of "gamergate" this year alone. So that's absolutely false.

At the height of the Gamergate conspiracy, there were constant Doxxing and Swatting of game journalists. That behavior (knock on wood) seems to have stopped.

MOOT publicly condemning the practice made a huge difference. It set lines in the sand, and people do trust their leaders. (And yes, 4chan's leader at the time was MOOT).

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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I’m pretty sure that anyone who is willing to swallow massively implausible theories like qanon is not the kind of person who will be amenable to logical arguments and fact checking. You can’t just argue those people out if their positions because it’s not about truth for them, it’s about feeling like one is a member of the elect. Denying reality is not a bug, it’s a feature of every millenarian belief system. Facts are ineffective, you just have to shut them down.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

#37
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but also so, so, soooo didn't want to upvote a Krebs article and give him the Ads revenue from the page views. what's wrong with kerbs?

Some people don't like that he doxes people.

And sometimes the doxing is of the wrong people, or people that are undeserving of being doxed.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

#38
post #17

The best antidote for bad ideas and conspiracy theories is transparency and public debate. This move will serve to push these movements underground to Tor or other uncensorable networks where they're even harder to monitor. It also sends a message to them that they're on to something (because if the QAnon conspiracy was real, the "deep state" would indeed try to snuff it out). I feel like this is such a bad precedent…

The recent converts to qanon have been on instagram. Before that it was Twitter. Maybe people get on the dark web to keep following it, but it's going to be really hard for it to keep growing if it's not allowed on the open web.

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

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post #19

Man, I never cared much for QAnon, but the way so many mainstream institutions are joining together, using the exact same misleading talking points, to censor something off the internet makes me wonder if they're onto something after all.

It's amazing how skeptical people are of the idea of a paedophile ring among the elites when only recently Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for running one (and mysteriously died in custody).

Re: The Now-Defunct Firms Behind 8chan, QAnon

#40

Of course everybody knows the right way to convince conspiracy theorists that they're wrong is to go after them. I don't see what's wrong with having internet trash bins. At least the trash is in a know location, it doesn't spill everywhere. I'm not from the US, the only mentions of those sites I have ever encountered was journalists making a few articles about them.

>I don't see what's wrong with having internet trash bins.

I think it's because the busybodies don't have a way to stand down without losing face.

Journalists have the real world savvy to not consider it important what political ideas are exposused by piss smelling disheveled streetpeople. But otherwise-"serious" jorunos have been spent the better part of a decade locked in a conflict with people who are mostly 12 years old and/or just trying to wind them up.

They can't admit to themselves that they completely dropped the ball on understanding the internet. Even journalists who knew what the internet in the early 2000s seemed to forgot the lay of the land once high-status people got the internet on their cellphones and were shocked that the content on the screen that didn't instantly cater to them.

So they will either push enough baddies off the internet to declare victory, or have to accept that they're a fucking embarrassment.

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