Runtime configuration is my favorite new feature of this release.
Dancing around runtime vs compile time configuration seemed like it was one of the "harder" parts of dropping into Elixir.
edit: grammar
Elixir 1.11
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#32I started to learn Elixir and Phoenix awhile ago. I liked it but stopped due to (i) there's no job opportunities near me for Elixir and I wanted to the learning/projects I do on my own to help me in interviews; and (ii) it's not a strongly typed language which I have come to learn is my favored type of language
Phoenix is a fine web framework. But with the shared-nothing approach of designing webapps, they tend to be pretty simple to both isolate and make concurrent regardless of your stack. I think BEAM languages are much more interesting for backends where a shared-nothing approach isn't an acceptable solution, and I feel like that's where its power and uniqueness over other languages really shines.
Re: Elixir 1.11
#33I started to learn Elixir and Phoenix awhile ago. I liked it but stopped due to (i) there's no job opportunities near me for Elixir and I wanted to the learning/projects I do on my own to help me in interviews; and (ii) it's not a strongly typed language which I have come to learn is my favored type of language
We're hiring for Elixir engineers, and specifically a Senior Elixir developer: https://www.joinpapa.com/careers/6IexFa6irc36vwF6aKXkE6/seni...
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pandemic or no pandemic, most jobs are at least local to the country. If he is from Russia it's way harder for him to get a job in a U.S / EU company. Also - if it's hard for him to get an Elixir job now (and let's assume he knows if it's hard or not and heard of the concept of remote), while Elixir is past it's peak, is it a good bet to keep going the Elixir route?
> “Elixir is past it’s peak” I would really appreciate any data that backs this up. Or is this a personal observation written as if it was a consensus? Because if we are going by personal experiences, the community definitely feels bigger and more active than before to me.
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=elixir
Now you may say Stackoverflow isn't a good measurement. In Tiobe Elixir hasn't made it to the top 50 https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
There is little reason for me to believe Elixir is before it's peak, the data is showing otherwise. Elixir's contemporaries (Rust / Go / Kotlin) are at a totally different place usage wise. So I tend to think this is it for Elixir, it's all down hill from here. If you have data showing otherwise please let me know.
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#35Question from someone who's never tried Erlang/Elixir but is interested. If you're starting a greenfield project in 2020, is there any reason to use baseline Erlang instead of Elixir? I get the impression that Elixir is a strict improvement (besides legacy compatibility). But this is a very very uninformed impression.
Personally I see no reason to start a new project with Erlang unless you really enjoy its syntax (perhaps for someone who has a solid background in Prolog?).
With Elixir you get everything in Erlang plus a lot of extremely powerful libraries/frameworks (e.g. Ecto and Phoenix), macros, a friendlier syntax etc.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, looking at the numbers in the UK on Linkedin: 132 Elixir jobs for the entire UK (ruby has 1941, php has 4832, java 10973). I'm not saying it's impossible but 132 mentions is not a lot. And it's not as if no one is fighting you for these Elixir jobs, quite a few people still want these jobs. Is Elixir still being chosen for new projects by startups or is it all python / go / rust ? The numbers for Elixir are ver…
People who are hiring for roles using smaller languages know that there are few people local to them who are practitioners in the language. They tend to do one of two things about that: 1. They don't even bother advertising a position in local geographical "general" job boards. (Job postings on LinkedIn cost money for every day you have them up; they're a waste of resources if you can predict with high confidence tha…
While you may be right, looking at job boards is the only objective measurement I can make. Maybe the jobs are hiding under different names, in different places. Who knows.
To me, seeing there's little jobs and that there's a clear decline in Stackoverflow Trends, and that Elixir isn't even in the top 50 in Tiobe, this all means something.
Hearing of people saying they can't get a job - means something.
I'm sure if you're in one of the major tech cities in the U.S, you could probably land an Elixir job. You can also land a Haskell job. Or Ocaml or anything else under the sun. This means little for most people who don't live there.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
People who are hiring for roles using smaller languages know that there are few people local to them who are practitioners in the language. They tend to do one of two things about that: 1. They don't even bother advertising a position in local geographical "general" job boards. (Job postings on LinkedIn cost money for every day you have them up; they're a waste of resources if you can predict with high confidence tha…
I'll echo this - when I've worked in polyglot shops, specifically on a team that did a lot of Erlang, we hired for "exposure to functional paradigms", not Erlang. The only places that looked to hire the specific language (and even that was negotiable) were places that just had Java. And the average quality of applicants was universally worse.
It's a common practice to at least say what stack you're working on on a job ad. If it's not a requirement I usually see "We use Rails but don't expect you to know it already".
Re: Elixir 1.11
#38I love Elixir. I would like to see more improvements in iex, something like ipython for python.
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#39I love Elixir. I would like to see more improvements in iex, something like ipython for python.
I'm very interested in hearing about some specifics!
Re: Elixir 1.11
#40Question from someone who's never tried Erlang/Elixir but is interested. If you're starting a greenfield project in 2020, is there any reason to use baseline Erlang instead of Elixir? I get the impression that Elixir is a strict improvement (besides legacy compatibility). But this is a very very uninformed impression.
If you're interested in Erlang/Elixir, you might want to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBT4XBdoUE (GOTO 2019 • The Soul of Erlang and Elixir • Saša Jurić)
It shows off the power of the BEAM VM -- and kind of makes you stand back and go "whoa.. how do they do that?"