At least we're not paying Samsung a tax of 30% of the price of TV-shows.
Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform
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#32Made a mental note to buy only the dumb tv. If I want streaming options I would rather setup my own. Or for non-tech I would recommend dumb tv + apple tv or Chromecast
It’s getting harder and harder to. I ended up buying a projector and a screen, large TVs are pretty much all infected with this kind of “smart os” and I don’t want a tv constantly asking to be connected to the internet so it can download adware.
This. When I was in California I tried to find a 4k TV that was "dumb". It was impossible.
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#33I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.
A smart TV can be a dumb TV if you never connect it to the internet and just plug in whatever you want to it via HDMI. I have a 'smart' TV myself and the only buttons I use on the remote are power and input select. It's never seen the internet since I've had it. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before these TVs require 'activation' and frequent 'reactivation' before you can use them though. Alternatively they may…
tell me, how log does your "dumb smart tv" take to boot ?
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#34If you own an Internet-connected TV, you've been seeing these for 2 years or more. I submitted it 11 months ago (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21427405) and it wasn't new then.
The ACR-based retargeting audiences (https://www.samsung.com/us/business/samsungads/resources/tv-...) are probably the most offensive. For example: "Reach viewers who saw your competitor’s ads as quickly as 60 seconds after linear ad airing." Since they're capturing and analyzing screenshots from all TV inputs (even HDMI sources), they can target based on not just what you're watching, but which ads you've seen. Games, movies, apps, whatever - they're capturing the actual image you're seeing in realtime.
I maintain a list of deep links to opt-out of data collection and sharing, mostly just because it pisses me off: https://simpleoptout.com/ . My site includes all of the TV manufacturers and TV OSes, but Samsung is easily the worst. As I wrote: "distinctly less customer-friendly than its peer companies. If it can be retained and shared, it probably is."
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#35So we can help you find and reach the missing millions - the cord-cutters, cord-shavers, cord-nevers and everyone in between
We will find you and we will spam you. You can't hide from us. Were watching, were tracking.
I really can't imagine myself ever buying a samsung tv. I mean they're quite blunt about their intentions, nothing to be surprised about when they're shouting about advising to cord cutters on their website.
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#36I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.
There's probably a market, but the question is how big? TV's have gotten so cheap because of the ads and data mining, so a TV that doesn't have that would be considerably more expensive. People on HN might spend more for some privacy, but most average consumers definitely wouldn't. I almost would like to see Apple release a television that has tvOS built in.
> but most average consumers definitely wouldn't.
This is the problem. We're so used to giving up privacy now that, slowly, they're chipping away at the small amount we have remaining. And it affects everyone.
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#37Reminds me of the Amstrad Emailer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amstrad_E-mailer
It started out with a few innocuous ads, then it got worse and worse until at one point it started displaying adult ads on a device that was on prominent display in people's homes. There was quite a backlash.
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#38I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.
A smart TV can be a dumb TV if you never connect it to the internet and just plug in whatever you want to it via HDMI. I have a 'smart' TV myself and the only buttons I use on the remote are power and input select. It's never seen the internet since I've had it. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before these TVs require 'activation' and frequent 'reactivation' before you can use them though. Alternatively they may…
Also make sure you don't unknowingly enable Ethernet-over-HDMI (:
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#39Now we need open firmware for our tvs
How do we get started?
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#40I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.
You can find 30-60" 1080P "dumb" TVs for >$400 relatively easily, but 4K/8K/bigger panels are almost always "smart". These big modern panels are a commodity and the manufacturers snap them up to use in the fastest selling models.
Hopefully in the next 2-10 years we will see a renaissance of high quality affordable dumb TVs as people continue to learn about data collection/ads/etc