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Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by Arathorn »

YorickPeterse wrote: post #23
akerro wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, shame GitLab didn't integrate Gitter natively into public projects same way issues and roadmaps are integrated.

I recall we considered this at various stages a few years back. I think this was around the same time we introduced our chatops integration. I don't know the exact details and can't speak for others, but I suspect GitLab realised that chat(ops) tools are hard to sell and our time is better spent elsewhere. It's a shame though, having Gitter/chat directly integrated in a project (properly, not using e.g. an iframe) wo…

Ironically Gitter moving to Matrix probably makes this more likely - as integrating Matrix into GitLab would be much more sensible than integrating a single opinionated client like Gitter, given if GitLab properly spoke Matrix for chatops, it'd then be available to anyone in Matrix (Gitter, Element, or any platform bridged into Matrix - Slack, Discord, etc)

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by remram »

randtrain34 wrote: post #7

> Our plan is instead to merge Gitter’s features into Element (or next generations of Element) itself and then - if and only if Element has achieved parity with Gitter based on the above list - we expect to upgrade the deployment on gitter.im to a Gitter-customised version of Element. The inevitable side-effect is that we’ll be adding new features to Element rather than Gitter going forwards. Wonder what existing Git…

I don't think Gitter development was very active, before or after their acquisition by GitLab. It has been pretty much the same since 2016. It being folded into another tool felt inevitable to me.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by crakenzak »

phone8675309 wrote: post #30
Arathorn wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully they'll be happy that Gitter will sprout all Matrix's funky features like E2EE, VoIP, Widgets, Read receipts, Reactions, a bajillion clients/bots/bridges, the open standard API itself... and as long as Element-branded-as-Gitter looks and performs and smells enough like Gitter, and the community & rooms are still there, all will be well. And if they don't like it, they can always go spin up their own Gitter…

This is the "slippers and sex toy" deflection. If the user's don't like the slippers (new features) they can use the sex toy to fornicate themselves.

man some people really find anything to complain about huh

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by ncmncm »

justinclift wrote: post #10
Arathorn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the main news is that Gitter is going to natively join Matrix. We've been talking about doing this for a few years, but it never got to the top of the todo list on either side - plus frankly we're breaking new ground by making a large existing network natively speak Matrix (complete with incorporating room archives, etc). Others (e.g. Rocket.Chat) have had a go at natively speaking Matrix but it's hard to be th…

> Well, the main news is that Gitter is going to natively join Matrix. Depends on your point of view. I'd not heard of Matrix before, and don't really care. To me, it's more interesting that GitLab is selling off Gitter.

Meanwhile, I had not heard of Gitter until just this moment. But I have been migrating my presence to Matrix, and the Matrix clients are pretty good, approaching par with Signal, which has been pretty good.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by ncmncm »

siraben wrote: post #16

This is great news. I've used Gitter for communication in some open source projects, and have always found certain things painful. My favorite points from the article are; - Improving iOS and Android apps. At least in the iOS case, the experience is abysmal (the web interface is similarly so) - Replacement of the matrix-appservice-gitter bridge. I've used the Matrix Gitter bridge for some time now but there's much le…

Funny that with all the circles, Discord isn't there.

Or Gitter.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by Vinnl »

randtrain34 wrote: post #7

> Our plan is instead to merge Gitter’s features into Element (or next generations of Element) itself and then - if and only if Element has achieved parity with Gitter based on the above list - we expect to upgrade the deployment on gitter.im to a Gitter-customised version of Element. The inevitable side-effect is that we’ll be adding new features to Element rather than Gitter going forwards. Wonder what existing Git…

Using it mostly out of necessity (a project I'm involved in uses it for communication), but I'm mostly enthusiastic about no longer having that annoying Matrixbot - there were always a number of Matrix users, and the implementation was incredibly confusing.

It's a nice bonus that I'll no longer be dependent on Gitter's somewhat buggy Web UI.

(That said, I am somewhat sceptical about whether we'll see any reasonable results in a reasonable amount of time - GitLab promised Gitter rooms for GitLab projects as well when they acquired it, and I'm not even sure if that ever saw the light of day.)

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by robjan »

adsjhdashkj wrote: post #24

Can anyone comment on the state of UX with Element these days? I'm changing to Linux/Windows from Mac, so i'm dumping iMessage - but i'm not convinced Signal has a good enough UX to keep me and my family happy. Sidenote, i love how i can pay Element and support Matrix/Element.

Element is probably harder to use than Signal for less technically inclined users.

There are some other matrix clients, like Pattle, which hide much of the complexity and give a more familiar UX to other messaging apps.

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by TooCreative »

I really like to use IRC on the terminal via Irssi.

Can Irssi be used to access this matrix thing?

If not, is there some nice matrix command line client in the Debian repos?

Or maybe someone could just make an IRC server which is a bridge to matrix?

Re: Gitter is joining Matrix

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Post by Shared404 »

adsjhdashkj wrote: post #24

Can anyone comment on the state of UX with Element these days? I'm changing to Linux/Windows from Mac, so i'm dumping iMessage - but i'm not convinced Signal has a good enough UX to keep me and my family happy. Sidenote, i love how i can pay Element and support Matrix/Element.

Personally speaking, I'm extremely happy with Element.

With good UX, easy encryption, the option to self host if you feel so inclined, I haven't found anything to complain about.

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