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Re: Modern JavaScript

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Post by rmurphey3 » Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 1:30 PM UTC

jashkenas wrote: post #30

rmurphey3 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your feedback and understand that previous posts of mine have framed this as a jQuery vs. Dojo debate; I tried particularly hard not to do so in this post, and I think you'd be rather hard-pressed to say that this post was a "jQuery vs. Dojo" diatribe. Yes, it linked to my Berlin slides, but that's simply because a post in response to them is what got this whole post percolating in my head to begin with.…

Oops -- that's a very good point about the Model example being a bad one -- I was just trying to use something visible, in order to see the "change" event binding in action. Perhaps we should swap it out for something more model-y. These days, if you're looking for complex Backbone examples, there's a bounty to choose from: * http://getflow.com * http://m.soundcloud.com * http://basecamphq.com/mobile * http://getclou…

Thank you for these :) I admit the last time I went hunting was a while ago, it's good to see so many more. For various reasons, the templated widget part of Dojo made it the right choice for my current project, but I strongly suspect a Backbone project will be in my future, either for fun or profit.

Re: Modern JavaScript

#32

Post by rmurphey3 » Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 1:38 PM UTC

jashkenas wrote: post #30

rmurphey3 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your feedback and understand that previous posts of mine have framed this as a jQuery vs. Dojo debate; I tried particularly hard not to do so in this post, and I think you'd be rather hard-pressed to say that this post was a "jQuery vs. Dojo" diatribe. Yes, it linked to my Berlin slides, but that's simply because a post in response to them is what got this whole post percolating in my head to begin with.…

Oops -- that's a very good point about the Model example being a bad one -- I was just trying to use something visible, in order to see the "change" event binding in action. Perhaps we should swap it out for something more model-y. These days, if you're looking for complex Backbone examples, there's a bounty to choose from: * http://getflow.com * http://m.soundcloud.com * http://basecamphq.com/mobile * http://getclou…

One other question: are there Backbone examples small enough to digest but large enough to be more authentic than a to-do list? This is where I struggle to come up with good teaching examples -- a whole real-world app is simply too much to take in when one is trying to transition to a JS app mindset (and of course the code is usually minified/obfuscated), but examples like to-do lists are so simple that they don't show how a tool addresses actual real-world problems.

Re: Modern JavaScript

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Post by otterley » Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 5:07 PM UTC

rmurphey3 wrote: post #8

pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

Argh, I hate reading slides without the accompanying audio/video, because I feel like I miss out on 90% of the context.

As a speaker, let me just say that I have yet to figure out how to handle this. When I'm presenting, I want people listening to me, not reading the slides. When people are consuming the slides online afterwards, they can quickly get misconstrued without the context of my spoken words. All of that said, I'll add a link to the video from the blog post :)

Consider, then, not referring to your slides as expository material. Instead, add paragraphs to further develop the discussion.