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The Disinvitation

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Re: The Disinvitation

#31
post #22

What opinions has Bob Martin expressed that are objectionable?

From memory I think (please, someone correct me if I'm wrong) there were some articles about hiring on merit rather than promoting gender (and possibly race/culture) diversity as an ideal?

Re: The Disinvitation

#33
post #4
post #2

It was a matter of time before Bob Martin was targeted by the purity mob. What a sad, fascist and cowardly society we have become.

Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...

Sexism for sure. Like when someone named John Sonmez went on a sexist tirade on Twitter last year, Martin went to his support: https://dev.to/awwsmm/can-we-separate-the-artist-from-their-...

And now when he was told he had said some things that make people uncomfortable, his public reaction was threatening to sue. He'd rather attack, than stop and understand why he is becoming persona non grata.

Co-opting the language of victimhood (in the blog post, but also for Sonmez https://twitter.com/unclebobmartin/status/118636551396805017... ) to support and perpetuate toxic behaviour in himself and other people in the software industry is just one reason why "Uncle" Bob Martin shouldn't be given a platform by any conference. There are plenty more deserving people who can talk instead.

Re: The Disinvitation

#34
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...

What? His remark regarding racial bias is reasonable and should not be grounds for barring from talking about programming in any sane, free society. We are going insane here. This isn't going to work, there is going to be a huge backlash and no one is going to take this SJW stuff seriously anymore.

He's not barred from talking about anything. He still has a popular blog and presumably writes books or something and can talk at other conferences.

Some people don't want to share a platform with him and the conference decided they'd rather have those people than him.

Re: The Disinvitation

#35
post #31
post #22

What opinions has Bob Martin expressed that are objectionable?

From memory I think (please, someone correct me if I'm wrong) there were some articles about hiring on merit rather than promoting gender (and possibly race/culture) diversity as an ideal?

Isn't it tragic that that stands out as objectionable?

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#36
post #9

So, let me get this straight. Conference asks Martin to give a presentation. No money is to change hands, no contract is signed. Conference changes their mind and decides to not have him speak after all. Martin's reaction is to throw around legal threats like "breech of contract" [sic] and "tortious interference"??? Sounds to me like the conference dodged a bullet.

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#37
I wouldn’t have cancelled the contract, we’re not getting anywhere with purity tests. We can appreciate what George Washington & Thomas Jefferson did AND disapprove of their slaveholding. Life is ambiguous and messy.

The one rant I read indicates that he thinks the country was not founded on slavery and that Reconstruction was not thwarted, Jim Crow did not exist, federal redlining of Black neighborhoods until recently did not happen, and none of the people that I’ve hung out with who have chatted about f’ing up n*s actually exist. That’s an issue for another venue and I applaud his candor in stating it, sort of a flat-earther earnestness.

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#38
post #9

So, let me get this straight. Conference asks Martin to give a presentation. No money is to change hands, no contract is signed. Conference changes their mind and decides to not have him speak after all. Martin's reaction is to throw around legal threats like "breech of contract" [sic] and "tortious interference"??? Sounds to me like the conference dodged a bullet.

"Had we agreed on a speaking free"

The many spelling mistakes in this post lead me to believe that he was very, very angry when typing this up. I'd not be surprised if it was deleted by Monday.

Re: The Disinvitation

#39

I wouldn’t have cancelled the contract, we’re not getting anywhere with purity tests. We can appreciate what George Washington & Thomas Jefferson did AND disapprove of their slaveholding. Life is ambiguous and messy. The one rant I read indicates that he thinks the country was not founded on slavery and that Reconstruction was not thwarted, Jim Crow did not exist, federal redlining of Black neighborhoods until recent…

This is not a discussion looking back 250 years at someone. It's looking back on the behaviour of someone living 1 year ago. Or yesterday. Or today.

Re: The Disinvitation

#40
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uhh... have you read his sexist and racist remarks online? ETA: ignoring racial bias in policing @ https://dev-to-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/i/aaoswq5bzdpptrtd7s... Plus a good take on his "Thought Police" post https://medium.com/@BradleyHolt/what-uncle-bob-gets-wrong-c0...

Sexism for sure. Like when someone named John Sonmez went on a sexist tirade on Twitter last year, Martin went to his support: https://dev.to/awwsmm/can-we-separate-the-artist-from-their-... And now when he was told he had said some things that make people uncomfortable, his public reaction was threatening to sue. He'd rather attack, than stop and understand why he is becoming persona non grata. Co-opting the languag…

There is nothing in what you posted that makes Bob Martin a sexist. He should attack, no one should kowtow to this self righteous mob. Its only cowardliness that is giving these people power.
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