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Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by wutsyrpt1 »

tn890 wrote: post #24

I wonder what the need for tools such as this or other "Kubernetes-by-example" type pages tell us about the complexity of configuring Kubernetes resources. Do we need a better layer of abstraction, i.e. better adoption and tighter integration for something like kustomize? Have we fucked up completely with Kubernetes due to it being outrageously complicated for simple tasks? How we redesign this to be simpler? Is the…

Is it anymore complex than all the old ways?

Was Apache, Asterisk, or loading and hardening a Linux host on bare metal easier?

I seem to remember a lot of wrangling custom kernels to get Asterisk sounding just right, bizarre Apache, & network configs.

It’s just text? It’s always going to turn into a nebulous mess without literal edges and boundaries.

That’s Google’s play with it, IMO. Train tracks. Which is what I hate about it.

Google hasn’t built a less Byzantine text mess. It’s built hype though, with a boring tool

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by throwaway894345 »

linkdd wrote: post #30
throwaway894345 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt that Kubernetes isn't appropriate for most businesses to use directly, but rather it's a platform for simpler platforms--someone like Heroku would build on top of Kubernetes and expose a much simpler interface for their users so they don't have to think about SSL, DNS, logging, load balancing, auto-scaling, etc. Alternatively, maybe the problem is solved with "distributions" of Kubernetes analogous t…

100% agree. Kubernetes alone is just a """framework""" to describe your infrastructure, definitely not an "end-user product". That is why in many businesses there is an OPS team managing the Kubernetes and providing tools like Cert-Manager, Istio, ... and the rest of the company who just use what the OPS team made. Right now, everyone is building its own distro, proving IMHO the need for it.

Well said!

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by oltremarino »

1ba9115454 wrote: post #6

We're using Pulumi https://www.pulumi.com/ to do our K8 configuration. We can use TypeScript interfaces (which give us nice ide code completion) to define our yaml. we can then create functions where we would normally duplicate Yaml. Really nice. https://www.pulumi.com/kubernetes/

+1 to Pulumi. I can't imagine operating k8s without tools like Pulumi or Terraform now. And Pulumi addresses some of the most important shortcomings of Terraform so I really hope they gain more traction.

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by EdSchouten »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #27
tn890 wrote: post #24

I wonder what the need for tools such as this or other "Kubernetes-by-example" type pages tell us about the complexity of configuring Kubernetes resources. Do we need a better layer of abstraction, i.e. better adoption and tighter integration for something like kustomize? Have we fucked up completely with Kubernetes due to it being outrageously complicated for simple tasks? How we redesign this to be simpler? Is the…

Most of my colleagues find the yaml interface to be a lost cause. I tend to prefer to use the gRPC API as it's effectively the same declarative operations but you get to control it in software, which just feels right. YAML is just a crutch for specifying the API calls the client needs to make.

You mean the Kubernetes HTTP API? That one isn’t gRPC based, right?

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by runbsd »

tn890 wrote: post #24

I wonder what the need for tools such as this or other "Kubernetes-by-example" type pages tell us about the complexity of configuring Kubernetes resources. Do we need a better layer of abstraction, i.e. better adoption and tighter integration for something like kustomize? Have we fucked up completely with Kubernetes due to it being outrageously complicated for simple tasks? How we redesign this to be simpler? Is the…

A lot of other "bleeding edge" technologies that blow up and become difficult to use end up with new abstractions, and then abstractions for the abstractions, and the original problem the tool was meant to solve is now not the focus any longer.

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by holografix »

tn890 wrote: post #24

I wonder what the need for tools such as this or other "Kubernetes-by-example" type pages tell us about the complexity of configuring Kubernetes resources. Do we need a better layer of abstraction, i.e. better adoption and tighter integration for something like kustomize? Have we fucked up completely with Kubernetes due to it being outrageously complicated for simple tasks? How we redesign this to be simpler? Is the…

I find K8s to be the perfect tool for enterprises.

It provides the promise of portability, so the business feels less locked in to a vendor, while still being dense and impenetrable enough to them that IT won’t be done out of a job.

Simpler, more efficient alternatives are seen as more expensive, because IT hides the true cost of just how much of their salaries is spent of non-productive pottering around with yaml.

These systems and products also threaten to automate IT out of a job and don’t necessarily count much for their resumes. If you’re not a programmer what interest do you have in dumping all of your intricate, fragile environment for a PaaS? Not much

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by erulabs »

erohead wrote: post #26
throwaway894345 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt that Kubernetes isn't appropriate for most businesses to use directly, but rather it's a platform for simpler platforms--someone like Heroku would build on top of Kubernetes and expose a much simpler interface for their users so they don't have to think about SSL, DNS, logging, load balancing, auto-scaling, etc. Alternatively, maybe the problem is solved with "distributions" of Kubernetes analogous t…

https://kubesail.com offers the exact service you describe!

Thanks for the shout-out! We’re trying to be like an “open-Heroku” - back when I worked on OpenStack it was called “the open cloud” and no one knew what we were on about - open stack was enterprise as enterprise gets!

Our goal is to make a Heroku-ish platform for getting an app online - but one that doesn’t hold you over a barrel later on. You can even host from a spare home server :)

(Disclosure: I’m the CTO)

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by snom380 »

tn890 wrote: post #24

I wonder what the need for tools such as this or other "Kubernetes-by-example" type pages tell us about the complexity of configuring Kubernetes resources. Do we need a better layer of abstraction, i.e. better adoption and tighter integration for something like kustomize? Have we fucked up completely with Kubernetes due to it being outrageously complicated for simple tasks? How we redesign this to be simpler? Is the…

Isn't that the case with any tool or service of some complexity? I'd probably have to look at docs or examples for most config files i write.

There's trade-off between a tool being too specific to a usecase vs being too generic with the associated "boilerplate". But I don't know how much simpler Kubernetes could be made while still covering the intended scope?

Re: Kubernetes YAML Generator

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Post by kutorio »

erohead wrote: post #26
throwaway894345 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt that Kubernetes isn't appropriate for most businesses to use directly, but rather it's a platform for simpler platforms--someone like Heroku would build on top of Kubernetes and expose a much simpler interface for their users so they don't have to think about SSL, DNS, logging, load balancing, auto-scaling, etc. Alternatively, maybe the problem is solved with "distributions" of Kubernetes analogous t…

https://kubesail.com offers the exact service you describe!

kubesail has really nice UI for an hosted option. Another alternative I found is https://kalm.dev/, which is open sourced and geared towards configuring a heroku on top of a k8s cluster.
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