One, if not the main, feature to upgrade to iOS 14 is now delayed to any of the 365 days of 2021. Clear message: "Save adtech and continue to screw your customers". Bravo Apple, Bravo!!
Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
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Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#32Bad Apple. What was Facebook going to do? Pull out of iOS? They had all the power.
It’s worth noting that Apple and Facebook very recently sparred over the 30% App Store fee related to donations[0]. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Facebook offered to back down on that controversy if Apple agreed to this, but of course this is pure speculation. 0: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/28/apple-blocked-facebook-...
Good point, I'm sure there would have been some quid pro quo there.
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#33This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
It pays for the modern web. It is probably in need of more transparency and clear user defined controls but hardly a cancer.
By your logic the conclusion is that the modern web is heavily cancerous, which arguably it is. There are other ways to pay for innovation and tools, to be preventative-proactive so cancer can't exist or at least not thrive.
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#34This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
It pays for the modern web. It is probably in need of more transparency and clear user defined controls but hardly a cancer.
And what have we gained from it? Toxic unconstrained social networks, more methods to make everyone feel uglier and worthless, endlessly consume random crap without producing anything of value, and robotic hamburger making shops that no one asked for and are somehow IT related?
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#35Zuck probably begged Tim
Zuck needs this least of all - people post their lives to FB via Instagram, all you need is a high quality, high cardinality object detector, and some NLP. For ads shown on e.g. Instagram or FB, there should be no impact at all.
Google could mine Photos I suppose, but there's no user graph there, and no text blurb, and no "likes", so it's less valuable. Google is also more reliant on tracking due to DoubleClick and ad exchanges. Be that as it may, Google search ads should also be unaffected.
Where this really hurts are ads shown in apps which are not controlled by Google/FB. Those would need an ID to know who you are in order to boost relevance. And that's being withdrawn. I'm not sure how much exposure FB has to that, though. I know Google is heavily exposed.
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#36This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
Do you realize the number of free services that one uses thanks to ads? Not everyone can afford to pay for these. I for one use gmail, google maps, google calendar, google docs, etc. Every day
Sure, those people can “opt in” if they choose. The point is that it should default to not track unless the user knowingly and willingly chooses to be tracked (in exchange for services if you like).
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#37No! I was enjoying the idea of being able to deny every app that asks. Oh well.
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#38As much as I like iOS in this regard, it’s a shame Apple felt this threatened to delay this feature. I’m sure privacy is a high priority to Apple but when it comes to money, expect them to do this more often. Privacy users are already taking things into their own hands anyway, so this only hurts the tech novices.
Edit: It’s funny how on HN, you can tell the ones who get triggered when you say something disparaging about adtech. Just interesting to see here vs other tech media outlets.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#39This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
The only cancer is people spewing compost without any depth to their thinking. Adtech has powered things since dawn of civilization. Here educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_advertising If you just flat out ban shit without nuanced understanding, you hurt people more than help. Facebook will pivot, they will charge people for video or gaming or oculus. But there will be no shopify, no tv shows,…
If you just flat out ban shit without nuanced understanding
I’m sure you appreciate the irony of this given your “banning invasive tracking will be the end of civilisation” shtick.
Let’s compromise and permit advertising generally, while absolutely working as hard as possible to crush creepy and abusive practices, like secretly tracking individuals without their permission. Seems like everybody could reasonably sign up to that.
Re: Apple to delay privacy change threatening Facebook, mobile ad market
#40This is unfortunate. Adtech is a cancer. We don't need to give it time to adapt, we need to shut it down.
Do you realize the number of free services that one uses thanks to ads? Not everyone can afford to pay for these. I for one use gmail, google maps, google calendar, google docs, etc. Every day
There are plenty of free alternatives to Google that don’t rely on ads and respect your privacy.