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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by simion314 »

m0zg wrote: post #23
simion314 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.

FB and Twitter no doubt brainwash people into all kinds of silliness - we've seen that quite vividly in the past 3 months. But there's not a whole lot you can do about them legally under US law. There is a whole lot you can do with TikTok and other foreign companies that represent a national security threat.

That is the point, make a new law. I mean FB way where I can target with ads extremely precise groups make it possible to systematically slit a nation in all the political regions, split the population in relevant groups, and preciously target them non stop with fake or misleading stuff.

This could be fixed in many , many ways - like not allowing political ads, or not allowing targeted political ads, or labeling clearly what is paid political propaganda or the exteme solution , limited electoral budget (why should the guy with more money is more equal then the rest?? it is are torical question I know constitution in US allows this )

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by gwd »

simion314 wrote: post #12
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.

> They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing.

FB and Twitter didn't have people on them embarrass Trump by tanking one of his rallies:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by naavis »

simion314 wrote: post #12
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.

Twitter and Facebook are US companies, while ByteDance (the company behind TikTok) is not. This makes them pretty different legislation-wise. Not saying that the brainwashing part doesn't apply to all three.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by fsloth »

raverbashing wrote: post #26
fsloth wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While acerbic, this highlights the difference between the two systems. China is economically and politically exclusive, while US system is inclusive politically and economically (inclusive means you are not stopped from participating, not that everyone would be capable of participating). One facet of an inclusive system are courts that are politically independent. Hence you are able to sue a government in an inclusiv…

Yes, you are able. But when one of two players are not playing fair (China) you're not going win any medals (or fights) while holding by your usual ethical standards. And as much as I'm mostly completely opposed to the current US administration, Tiktok is a liability.

"you're not going win any medals (or fights) while holding by your usual ethical standards."

That's the thing! These are not ethical standards. These are about the general rules by which a society operates. Generally countries with inclusive systems work better than countries with exclusive ones. China being the odd man out, apparently, at the moment.

So it's not about ethics, it's about economics. It may seem like a value call, but actually it's a decision along a path does the society want to be more or less like an exclusive system. Since exclusive systems don't work as well financially, it's effectively a call does the system want to be wealthier or poorer long term.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by morelisp »

ecmascript wrote: post #29
jorge-d wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah because obviously when the US administration uses all the big american tech giants to spy on every internet user it's for "everyone-else good" /s

That sucks very much, I agree but at least they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it. Your post here is evidence for that the CCP is way, way worse since your post would be pretty much dangerous to write in China if it were about their government. If you really believe the US is as bad as China, you're living in a fantasy world my friend.

> they won't send police to your home if you write critically about it.

Well, unless you're Jason Chen writing about the iPhone 4.

(I don't think the US is "as bad as China" but I'm also not interested in meeting low bars. I do think it's nearly impossible to find a line China has crossed but the US has not. It's just a question of frequency.)

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by simion314 »

gwd wrote: post #32
simion314 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. If "brainwashing" on social media exists then all should be made illegal not only the a small subset.

> They would need to explain how TicTok brainwashes americans to vote(or not vote) but Facebook and Twitter categorically does not do the same thing. FB and Twitter didn't have people on them embarrass Trump by tanking one of his rallies: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-...

It reminds me about the China and the Winnie the Pooh ban.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by StreamBright »

badRNG wrote: post #28

Regardless of what you think about TikTok, the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented. The jump from banning Huawei from building critical public infrastructure to banning an app that hasn't even conclusively been proven to behave in any uniquely dangerous ways seems to be an intense, unjustified escalation of this conflict. [1] You may disagree with me on the strict securit…

>> the banning of an app in the interest of "national security" is largely unprecedented.

In the USA. China has done is many times.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by yorwba »

rvz wrote: post #30
auggierose wrote: post #3

Well, try suing the administration in China ...

There you go. While they're at it, try critiquing the CCP on TikTok. Watch it get removed instantaneously. In the US, at least you can sue the administration and criticize them over their actions. The CCP on the other hand...

> try critiquing the CCP on TikTok. Watch it get removed instantaneously.

You can even call them nazis without it getting removed: https://www.tiktok.com/tag/chinazi

Now if you tried that on Douyin, the results would be different, but Douyin is available in China while TikTok isn't, so Chinese censorship applies to Douyin while it doesn't apply to TikTok.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by mola »

bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

Divide and conquer and not acting in good faith. This is no more than racketeering.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #22
auggierose wrote: post #3

Well, try suing the administration in China ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appoi... Yes, there is still a difference. No doubt. But Donald Trump is working on it ... since he already mentioned that he wants a third term ( https://twitter.com/politicsvideo23/status/12954979623664025... ) one has to see how long the system will uphold the attacks ...

I don't understand why you're being down-voted.

Donald Trump unambiguously is a tyrant, and has already made clear he will not accept an election defeat.

Donald Trump will be the downfall of us all, and this forum tries to down-mod this concern.

It's a worrying trend.

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