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Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that you can store $16M in a bank and take need to take no precautions against casual theft (and often can recover the money via person-to-person interactions, if theft does occur).

I completely disagree, only the first $250k is insured. I would never store $16M cash in a bank. You aren't protected against the bank becoming insolvent.

Isn't it 250k per account?

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#32
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Many folks shit on the modern financial system, with its centralization and Government-coupling, but things like this are actually trackable and reversible in that ecosystem. The safeguards have evolved over centuries. I am curious when crypto will get there. Maybe 10 years or so?

98% of HN except for a vocal, small minority ever says anything positive about crypto or blockchain. The vast majority appreciate the benefits of the state apparatus being the conduit for financial services. So you posting this is not a surprising nor unique idea, you are representing 98% of HN commenters.

I'd say 98% of the population. There's a very small percentage of the population that even understands what fiat is, and what problems cryptocurrency solves.

For that matter, a sizable percentage of cryptocurrency advocates either don't know or care either; their only concern is how much fiat they can trade cryptocurrency for.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#34
I'm not an expert in BTC storage, but as far as I understand such an attack could have been prevented if the owner invested in a hardware wallet for $100-200. As the final step in a transaction would be to sign it on your ledger/trezor device, and would be much harder to phish.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#35
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I've said this time and time again: 'be your own bank' is a terrible design error, not a feature, for 99.99% of users. This guy is most likely somewhat technically literate, and this happened to him.

The virtues people often use for crypto (trustless, irreversible, untraceable) are almost always user-hostile. Banks aren’t great, but at least it’s harder to phish $16million.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#36
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This is why we need, order > Community > Society > Government > Banks We are at the community stage with crypto.

The whole point of cryptocurrency on is that they don't believe in ANY of those institutions.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#37
Fools and their bitcoin are easily parted. Perhaps this man has lost his only chance at possessing millions. What an expensive lesson.

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that you can store $16M in a bank and take need to take no precautions against casual theft (and often can recover the money via person-to-person interactions, if theft does occur).

I completely disagree, only the first $250k is insured. I would never store $16M cash in a bank. You aren't protected against the bank becoming insolvent.

Okay... where would you store 16m?

Re: I just lost 1,400 BTC

#40
Here [1] is the explanation:

    I had 1,400 BTC in a wallet that I had not accessed since 2017. I foolishly installed the old version of the electrum wallet. My coins propagated. I attempted to transfer about 1 BTC however was unable to proceed. A pop-up displayed stating I was required to update my security prior to being able to transfer funds.
    
    I installed the update which immediately triggered the transfer of my entire balance to a scammers address.
[1] https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/5072#issuecommen...
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