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He was 17, so regardless of his actions, he's still a kid. And he wasn't just walking around, he was defending business and property. Earlier in the day he was cleaning graffiti off of buildings in Kenosha
My favorite response to this circulating right now is a photograph of Ted Bundy doing dishes. That was not his business or property. He was a vigilante.
The rioting (distinct from the protests) in cities have resulted in a dozen or more dead. Can they be traced back to social media organizing as well? Should all comms that can potentially end up with death and destruction of property be censored?
Yes; there's a listing [0] of violence committed during the protests since they started earlier in the year. I think that the police will continue killing people until they are disbanded or restructured. History tells us that police in Chicago and NYC, for example, can be and have been the primary source of corruption and organized crime. Edit: Chicago's police ran a torture ring for years [2]; NYPD has earned a dedi…
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I don’t see the poster claiming this was left, right, whatever? Just trace the source.
OP was asking if riots were organized on social media as if that was some counter argument to why we should not permit the kind of organized violence from the BuzzFeed story. This struck me as an attempt to weaken the argument that we should be upset about right-wing terrorism on social media. It has also been widely asserted by the president (among others) that left-wing groups are the bigger terror threat. OP didn'…
Not exactly, no he was not.
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He transported an illegally owned firearm across state lines and used it to kill two people.
Apparently his attorney is saying he did not carry a weapon across state lines but rather a friend there let him borrow theirs. If that was a registered weapon, that will come out in the trial.
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Yes; there's a listing [0] of violence committed during the protests since they started earlier in the year. I think that the police will continue killing people until they are disbanded or restructured. History tells us that police in Chicago and NYC, for example, can be and have been the primary source of corruption and organized crime. Edit: Chicago's police ran a torture ring for years [2]; NYPD has earned a dedi…
Parent comment talks about killing by rioters. You just tried to substitute the topic.
The media spin going on regarding Kenosha is crazy. If I hadn't seen the videos of what happened, I would have assumed it was a white supremacist shooting peaceful protesters, not someone who was being attacked and only shot when he couldn't get away.
This is not how to look at this if you want to find a way to solve our society’s ills. The gunman was the instigator because he travelled to riots and not to protect anyone he knows or his own property. He brought an assault rifle and walked the streets. Why would anyone not looking for trouble do that? That’s vigilantism. The police are there to deal with it. Not untrained teenagers. Remember, the second amendment i…
Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Shoulan_v._Peng_Yu - same ethic of "if it wasn't his property, he must have been looking for trouble"; If that's the case every out-of-town protest/rioter is also an instigator.
Truth is, we don't know what preceded Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse, and until we do, we don't know who threw the first punch.
> The police are there to deal with it
last I heard the US police have no duty to protect. Until this is changed, people will be in no hurry to surrender the right to bear arms.
The media spin going on regarding Kenosha is crazy. If I hadn't seen the videos of what happened, I would have assumed it was a white supremacist shooting peaceful protesters, not someone who was being attacked and only shot when he couldn't get away.
The first person was killed because he threw a plastic bag. "The complaint claims that cell phone video showed Rosenbaum, who appeared to be unarmed, trailing behind Rittenhouse before throwing a plastic bag at him. As the pair approached a car, a loud bang is heard, followed by an unidentified male yelling an obscenity. When Rosenbaum gets close to Rittenhouse, another four bangs are heard." The widely circulated vi…
According to lawyer statement[0] he turned after hearing a gunshot behind him, and then shot as the first person lunged at him.
I see no evidence the mob of people chasing him were trying to "disarm" him, in fact the third person shot was pretty clearly trying to shoot him.
[0]: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/kyle-rittenhouses-lawy...
The kid was chased by multiple felony offenders, one with a gun, and was attacked and knocked to the ground by another with a skateboard. The video evidence clearly shows he acted in self defense
... after he already had killed a protestor. After realizing what he did, instead of calling for help or staying to justify his actions, he ran away and shot two more people in the process. Then the police let him walk away. Please contrast this with the same police shooting an unarmed black man seven times in the back at close range while getting into his car. Imagine if he had 2’ long rifle on him too. I don’t reli…
stay to face the angry mob of anonymous individuals (wearing face-covering hoods and masks)?
Consider that RH was not running from the police, but from a mob of people shouting "Get him!" and shooting pistols. You think he still must be guilty if he chose to run from that?
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This is not how to look at this if you want to find a way to solve our society’s ills. The gunman was the instigator because he travelled to riots and not to protect anyone he knows or his own property. He brought an assault rifle and walked the streets. Why would anyone not looking for trouble do that? That’s vigilantism. The police are there to deal with it. Not untrained teenagers. Remember, the second amendment i…
But are there clear rules of what kind of "help" you can and cannot provide? None of the individuals harmed while attacking the gunman needed to intervene either - and I'm sceptical they all had first-hand knowledge of the 1st shooting versus hearing the allegations of the crowd/mob. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Shoulan_v._Peng_Yu - same ethic of "if it wasn't his property, he must have been looking…
Not in any way. That is a debate over Good Samaritans helping vs not getting involved. This is about vigilantes showing up with assault rifles when the police are already there.
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But are there clear rules of what kind of "help" you can and cannot provide? None of the individuals harmed while attacking the gunman needed to intervene either - and I'm sceptical they all had first-hand knowledge of the 1st shooting versus hearing the allegations of the crowd/mob. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Shoulan_v._Peng_Yu - same ethic of "if it wasn't his property, he must have been looking…
> Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Shoulan_v._Peng_Y Not in any way. That is a debate over Good Samaritans helping vs not getting involved. This is about vigilantes showing up with assault rifles when the police are already there.