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Scrollbar Blindness

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Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#31

> If you are a front-end developer that uses macOS, I kindly ask you to dedicate a little more attention to how the websites you create behave on platforms other than your own. I'd take that one step farther - no matter what platform you code on, test your UX on all the others.

I'm looking at you, all sites that only work on Chrome and break in subtle ways on Firefox or Safari.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#34
post #17

> I kindly ask you to dedicate a little more attention to how the websites you create behave on platforms other than your own. Agreed. > Alternatively, you can set the scrollbars to be visible at all times by setting System Preferences -> General -> Show scroll bars to Always. Disagree. Now you're using a different UI layout than the vast majority of your users!

I guess what was meant was to check both settings, i.e. both the default Mac scrollbar behavior and the "Always" behavior.

After all, the initial sentence also didn't imply checking _only_ some other platform.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#35
post #12

Another one of such thing: please try to scroll on your site using a mouse wheel from time to time, even if you're normally using a touchpad (from your laptop or an external one)! Lot of fancy homepage with scroll animations are awful on anything that isn't scrolling as smoothly as a MacBookPro touchpad. Example: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ is horrible to use on anything that isn't a mobile device or a Mac.

See also, the middle mouse click and drag. Lots of 'fancy' sites break on that.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#36

I like how the title of the article has a hidden scroll bar (reading on iPhone).

Indeed. I just set scrollbars to always show on my Macbook per the author's suggestion and there are 4 scrollbars on their page!

Makes me wonder if I'm missing the point of the fairly simple post?

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#37
post #8

Yes! Far too many developers now only check that the page renders nicely on Chrome on their expensive macbook. While most of their users may be having a less than stellar screen and don't see the contrasts, run old hardware and a different OS+browser combo.

Same complaint with contrast aye Yes your giga HD retina Mac displays these colours perfectly, I'm sure it looks great. On my screen however I can't read a damn thing.

Kind of an off-topic but recently I noticed capturing a gameplay video of an HDR-enabled video game with any kind of software (OBS, Twitch Studio, GeForce Experience, FRAPS, Discord) also produces terrible results. This happens even if I capture the entire monitor or just the app window. Both OpenGL and DirectX games suffer from this.

How one can tell whether what you capture/develop is what you will see without testing it on a second monitor? What is the subject I must do research on to learn more about this?

I'm not just talking about color spaces, but also how these multiple software communicate image data in a lossless way, how window modes (fullscreen, borderless, windowed) affect these flows, where HDR stands in this.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

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post #23
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar? IMO it's all part of this push to combine mobile and desktop UI. On mobile there is a legitimate case to be made for removing them because screen real estate is so precious. But desktop gets clobbered as an unwanted side effect.

I actually think it has more to do with the increasing size and sophistication of the touchpad in Macs. There is no need for a scroll bar when you have a touchpad you can flick (likewise for magic mice).

Yea on macOS, the scroll bar is less of a scroll bar, and more of a scroll indicator. There just isn’t any reason to click on the scroll bar if you have a trackpad.

Notably, when you connect a traditional mouse, the scroll bar automatically becomes thicker (easier to click) and always visible, as mice users do have a reason to click/drag the scroll bar. Seems like Apple had this in mind

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#39

> If you are a front-end developer that uses macOS, I kindly ask you to dedicate a little more attention to how the websites you create behave on platforms other than your own. I'd take that one step farther - no matter what platform you code on, test your UX on all the others.

I'm looking at you, all sites that only work on Chrome and break in subtle ways on Firefox or Safari.

The true spirit of Internet Explorer lives on.

Re: Scrollbar Blindness

#40
post #13

I loathe the fact that scrollbars are now hidden. I'm constantly looking for it to either a) find out how big the page is b) scroll more precisely I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar?

> I don't even understand why they would remove them? Who ever complained of a scroll bar? IMO it's all part of this push to combine mobile and desktop UI. On mobile there is a legitimate case to be made for removing them because screen real estate is so precious. But desktop gets clobbered as an unwanted side effect.

The idea is to focus on the content and have the interface elements “fade away”. The problem is that you often need those interface elements to properly interact with the content.
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