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Evgeny Kuznetsov practices with Bauer stick that has hole in the blade

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Re: Evgeny Kuznetsov practices with Bauer stick that has hole in the blade

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Post by dang »

pencerw wrote: post #26
dang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've changed the URL from https://mailchi.mp/theprepared/the-prepared-4ydgzm58vl to the article that it points to, which seems to have the most information about the story. I don't think an issue of a newsletter which contains a paragraph about one thing among lots of other things, plus promotional padding, really counts as an article about that thing for HN purposes. It seems more like an attempt to promote the new…

IMO this ends up being way more advertorial (for Bauer) and lacks all of the engineering context (urethane inserts! damping! "the dichotomy between nature and human technologies"!). But, understood.

Perhaps; I haven't read that closely. Obviously it's great if you're writing something better about a topic, but there needs to be a specific URL to what you've specifically written about it.

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Post by dave_aiello »

geogra4 wrote: post #5

Wonder if hockey will either go the way of Tennis (where technology has rapidly changed how the game has been played) or baseballe - where the bats are always wood.

Hockey has already adopted revolutionary technology many times. Consider composite skate blade holders replacing steel blade holders, synthetic materials in protective equipment replacing leather, deer hair, and felt, aluminum and various sorts of composite and carbon fiber sticks replacing wooden hockey stick shafts, and so on.

I am a retired college hockey player who transitioned to officiating at the NCAA level.

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Post by evo_9 »

cperciva wrote: post #19
cuddlybacon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in youth league hockey as carbon fiber sticks went from unheard of to ubiquitous. Carbon sticks failed in a spectacular way, but wood stills would also fail. They wouldn't break in two during a slapshot, but they would generally split along the bottom of the blade. If refs noticed it, you could get a penalty. By the time my parents caved in and bought a wood stick, I was at the point of consuming one new stick…

If refs noticed it, you could get a penalty. I'm curious, what penalty gets called here? I wasn't aware there was a "your equipment fell apart" penalty.

Yeah I mean while it's technically possible they'd call that, you generally don't see that happen very often, if ever. They're use to be a blade curve limit rule too, which probably still exists but I couldn't tell you the last time I saw the tool they used to check that in a time-keeper box, beer league or NHL even.

Basically the rule is there in case the stick is broken in such a way that it becomes sharp and dangerous, which generally would mean it's not functional anyway. In that case you are required to drop the stick on the ice and get a new one mid-play, or get off the ice.

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Post by evo_9 »

burnte wrote: post #25
evanspa wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's just called the "broken stick" rule. Specifically, if you break your stick, you HAVE to drop it on the ice immediately and be done with it. If you even skate back to the bench holding it, you can get called for a penalty.

How does the broken stick get off the field of play if you're not allowed to carry it off?

It's actually not quite so simply as the ref near it grabbing it. Depending on the play, and where the broken stick is at, the ref may elect to leave it be. I've seen broken sticks get 'accidentally' kicked/nudge near, or in front of the net which causes a sort of clean pass prevention '6th player'. The ref is generally reluctant to get too into the middle area of the play so a broken stick can become a sort of extra player out there. It's a kind funny/unique situation that doesn't happen that often.

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Post by ponker »

evo_9 wrote: post #4

It's been crazy watching the evolution of hockey sticks from wood to aluminum shafts, then to carbon-fiber. The prices have steadily skyrocketed, but it's hard to deny the incredible effects of just these material design changes. There are of course trade-offs, most notable being the tendency of these new carbon fiber sticks breaking without much warning, or apparent wear. The speed at which the shot comes off the st…

Doesn’t the retired pros team beat everyone? Or are they super old. My perception was that the professionals are in a completely different galaxy than even top amateurs, unless you were on the cusp of playing in the NHL yourself.

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Post by evo_9 »

ponker wrote: post #35
evo_9 wrote: post #4

It's been crazy watching the evolution of hockey sticks from wood to aluminum shafts, then to carbon-fiber. The prices have steadily skyrocketed, but it's hard to deny the incredible effects of just these material design changes. There are of course trade-offs, most notable being the tendency of these new carbon fiber sticks breaking without much warning, or apparent wear. The speed at which the shot comes off the st…

Doesn’t the retired pros team beat everyone? Or are they super old. My perception was that the professionals are in a completely different galaxy than even top amateurs, unless you were on the cusp of playing in the NHL yourself.

They're mostly above 50, but are still incredible athletes. The team I'm on is all 20-somethings, most of which played Division 1, club or similar, with a mix of some recent ex-pro Eastern Hockey League players; just the nature of the league, top talent needs somewhere to play if going pro isn't an option and none of us want to sandbag in a lower division, that's just not fun.

I would also say that the younger players are way higher aerobic conditioning and the speed of top amateurs approach pro level speed now in these top tier leagues. I track my speed on my Apple watch I regularly hit low/mid 20 MPH during these league games, and I'm probably the 3rd or 4th fastest guy on the team (and def the oldes - thank god for those REHIT sprint workouts I do). So when you add it all up, the ex-pros have their hands full for sure. It's a lot of fun though, and generally the ex-pros play hard but rarely get worked up/hot/chippy and our games against them tend to be the most clean, skilled games we have. And no, they most certainly don't win every games, they're in the top half for sure always though.

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Post by icelancer »

prh8 wrote: post #12
docbrown wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think they should or ever will step away from wood bats. It’s one of the few things that levels the playing field for all batters; instead letting brute force be the power behind the contact. Aluminum and corked bats would ultimately give an unfair advantage to the user as compared to a wood slugger. It’s fine in minor league and collegiate sports as they do not follow the MLB’s stricter regulations but if th…

Aluminum and corked bats also become a player safety issue in the majors. It's already a problem at all levels honestly, but the balance would be far more dangerous increasing already high major league exit velocities.

BBCOR has solved this problem with metal bats; their COR is identical to wood bats (and likely worse in the aggregate).

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Post by apocalyptic0n3 »

geogra4 wrote: post #5

Wonder if hockey will either go the way of Tennis (where technology has rapidly changed how the game has been played) or baseballe - where the bats are always wood.

Hockey seems to be constantly evolving both its technologies and its rules.

As an example of this (other than the new sticks being tested in the article), prior to the pandemic the NHL was set to introduce a new puck for the playoffs that would "will transmit data 60 times per second, including location, speed, acceleration and deceleration and distance travelled." There's similar tech ready to be rolled out for jerseys. The end goal being for advanced analytics to be able to map how fast everything is going and how the game moves, as well as to possibly aid in goal review (which is difficult with the shape of a puck, unlike say soccer/football with its round ball). They tested it at the All-Star game and teams have been practicing with it, but the league decided to hold off on it to reduce the potential point of failures during their return to play.

Source: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-s-new-puck-will-premiere-on-opening-n...

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Post by scott31 »

pugworthy wrote: post #30

I got a strong "Nimbus 5000" vibe reading this. It's pretty easy to read this and replace "stick" with "broom", "ice" with "arena", "quaffle" with "puck", and "hockey" with "quidditch" - and have it all sort of sound right.

That is because hockey is nonsense, just like quidditch
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