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Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by lowiqengineer »

perl4ever wrote: post #30
lowiqengineer wrote: post #2

The answer to why this is, I’m beginning to realize after talking to dozens of Googlers working at Google as acquaintances, friends, former coworkers, HN comments and twitter personalities is - Google has an active disrespect if you’re not part of their in group . If you haven’t passed their tests, you’re basically an object of derision - a mark, an object just used for incrementing a CPM metric, or an incompetent, l…

On the other hand, when someone expresses an opinion like this, you never know if they were contacted at some point by a Google recruiter and ended up with a case of sour grapes. I had a phone conversation with a hiring manager once, and obviously I was not the right type or class or caste or something, but it wasn't a technical screen at all, so it's a mystery to me forever what exactly determined the "in group" as…

Of course. I'm well aware that I'm considered mentally defective (or maybe just garden variety low IQ) by the hiring committee. That doesn't really change my observation here.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by sandeeps_ »

lowiqengineer wrote: post #17
mdrabla wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not endemic. I think you've met a few people you didn't like, read some tweets, and extrapolated poorly. And I don't think people working on GCP are really treated that much better than their counterparts at AWS. The fact that you think the difference in product depreciation policy between them is caused by people getting "everything they could dream of" is funny though

Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension. Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make les…

Then why don’t you move to google if you know they pay better?

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by lowiqengineer »

gundmc wrote: post #26
lowiqengineer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension. Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make les…

> Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make less than a new grad at Google. This doesn't appear to be close to true based on levels.fyi, unless you're severely underpaid for an Amazon L5.

Levels.fyi is good, but it's still polluted with TC's from multiple regions in the US (California + NYC have higher base and higher TC by 15% due to taxes). In addition, promos always happen at the low-band and aren't negotiated. There's very likely some intersection between high-band L4 and low-band L5, and I'd be there when/if I promo. The only way to get out of the band is to get a high raise during evaluation season, but this maxes out at 10% or so for "top tier" performance evaluated only once a year.

*The net effect is "pay for performance" isn't really a thing.

The only way for me to do a significant compensation bump is to do what's called a "dive and save", but this is very rarely done for L5's and is significantly more common for L6's. I got an offer for about $200k a year ago at a hedge fund, but that wasn't eligible for dive and save because of my level and I'm (clearly) too mentally defective to pass a Facebook or Google loop.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by lowiqengineer »

sandeeps_ wrote: post #32
lowiqengineer wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trips to Europe or to random conferences in first class? Trips to _any office_ for "face time"? Massages? Bonuses of any sort, including peer bonuses and holiday gifts? Refreshers? Society thinking that you're "smart" for passing the loop? You're rewarded just for being alive at Google, but I get nothing but scorn and condescension. Fun fact for you - if I get promoted this year at Amazon to L5, I'll _still_ make les…

Then why don’t you move to google if you know they pay better?

I've studied hundreds of hours, failed HC for full time once and I've concluded that I'm mentally incapable of doing so (I blame my parents due to the slight heritability of IQ).

"Just move" is something someone without any empathy for other people's circumstances would say - most people aren't capable of "just moving" as if the only concern is choosing an employer.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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userbinator wrote: post #27

It's odd to see an article emphasising backwards compatibility, but not a single mention of Microsoft (I even ctrl+F'd the page source to check!) They've regressed a bit in the recent years but I'd still consider MS the gold standard for back-compat. I have Win32 binaries I last modified over 15 years ago, small (or perhaps tiny - size measured in KBs) utilities that I use daily. They worked perfectly on Win95, and s…

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Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by john-shaffer »

> [Google] contracted with a company called Bitnami to create a bunch of “click to deploy” solutions, or perhaps I should write “solutions”, because they don’t solve a fucking thing. They’re just there as checkboxes, as marketing filler, and Google never gave a shit whether any of them worked from Day One.

I've had similar experiences with broken Bitnami images that makes it seem like they aren't even tested before being released [1][2]. Their WordPress images do work, but the way file permissions are configured doesn't play well with the way they have WordPress set up [3]. Have I just had bad luck, or is this a common experience?

[1] https://community.bitnami.com/t/cant-authenticate-to-fauxton... [2] https://community.bitnami.com/t/couchdb-server-log-gives-wro... [3] https://github.com/WP2Static/wp2static/issues/598

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by jonchang »

userbinator wrote: post #27

It's odd to see an article emphasising backwards compatibility, but not a single mention of Microsoft (I even ctrl+F'd the page source to check!) They've regressed a bit in the recent years but I'd still consider MS the gold standard for back-compat. I have Win32 binaries I last modified over 15 years ago, small (or perhaps tiny - size measured in KBs) utilities that I use daily. They worked perfectly on Win95, and s…

The article talks about Windows, which is produced by Microsoft.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by foepys »

nmfisher wrote: post #9
lowiqengineer wrote: post #2

The answer to why this is, I’m beginning to realize after talking to dozens of Googlers working at Google as acquaintances, friends, former coworkers, HN comments and twitter personalities is - Google has an active disrespect if you’re not part of their in group . If you haven’t passed their tests, you’re basically an object of derision - a mark, an object just used for incrementing a CPM metric, or an incompetent, l…

Including the most critical group of all - customers. It’s astonishing how little Google cares about its paying customers, at least when it comes to AdWords and GSuite, and GCP. I think the Pixel division is the only exception, though I don’t own one so I can’t comment personally.

After 3 years of updates, Google drops Pixel support like a hot potato.

As far as I'm informed every Pixel version so far had battery degradation issues. After year or so the battery seems to have only a fraction of the previous capacity.

Re: Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy Is Killing You

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Post by junkrat002 »

userbinator wrote: post #27

It's odd to see an article emphasising backwards compatibility, but not a single mention of Microsoft (I even ctrl+F'd the page source to check!) They've regressed a bit in the recent years but I'd still consider MS the gold standard for back-compat. I have Win32 binaries I last modified over 15 years ago, small (or perhaps tiny - size measured in KBs) utilities that I use daily. They worked perfectly on Win95, and s…

There was a short shout out to Windows.
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