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Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#31

What is the pricing? No one ever seems to answer this all-important question...

Shotwell has said that it will be competitive with existing Internet pricing at $80. She didn't say it would be $80, but competitive with that pricing. Read that as you will. I'm sure that's only the starting price, that you'll be able to pay a lot more for more bandwidth.

I wonder if it will have location-modulated pricing; $80 wouldn't be competitive where I am.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#32

This is already quite an achievement! In just 10 launches, SpaceX is operating the world's largest satellite constellation and can already provide broadband of reasonable quality to some customers. In rural areas, I have struggled to catch weak LTE signals with fixed antennas that often didn't hit these speed and latency numbers. This absolutely seems on track to be an excellent alternative to rural LTE or existing s…

I would like to see a kit from SpaceX which provides a solar powered Starlink to LTE bridge. Such kits could be installed anywhere, and provide service to places such as farm communities (install them on top of grain silos, for example). That way Starlink could be available to more customers without them having to have their own premise equipment (beyond an LTE hotspot).

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#33

I just got back from an AirBnB where I worked remotely for a week and the internet was DSL. It was about 1.5Mbps up and down. Work was still possible. Even group video calls worked. Uploading and downloading large files was out of the question however. I had to do a lot of work SSH'd into a remote server. So, 11 to 60 is not great, but still useful.

11 to 60 is actually really good. If you look at the total throughput on a residential connection, even a gigabit fiber connection, they will almost never burst above about 30mbps download. For most people 4K streaming is about the most bandwidth intensive thing they'll do, and that only requires about 20mbps per stream. As you indicated, video conference streams really don't use that much bandwidth (although they are very sensitive to latency.) The only real exception to this on residential networks (even during Covid with everyone working from home) is big game updates.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect it will be really serving areas where that is unlikely to happen (rural areas and over ocean transportation).

I'd switch to Starlink JUST to spite Comcast.

While I totally agree with your sentiments, there is a large section of the population that don’t even have the bad option of Comcast. I hope they put some curbs on adoption by those who have alternatives. Source: farm owner in the middle of nowhere KS. We have fixed wireless, but if it was hilly here we’d be stuck with Hughes and their geosynchronous satellites. The latency is huge - the speed of light isn’t fast enough.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

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Honestly, this is just awesome. It's a working demonstration of high-speed satellite internet, showing this approach is a viable solution for "anywhere on Earth" internet. For all those people who don't have broadband available, this will be life-changing. It'll only get better from here, welcome to the future :) (and remember that perfect is the enemy of good)

I wonder what happens on a cloudy day.. currently the satellite based DTH television displays a cloud and refuses to work. Technically is there a work around to that?

Cloudy days will 100% affect internet speeds. But it's also possible for them to have better equipment at LEO due to lower launch costs to overcome that affect.

It's kinda funny because cloudy cover are a smaller portion of signal loss at GEO, (most loss is due to distance), but it affects that signal quite a bit once satellites are tweaked to get signal to Earth. Most GEO satellites try to have something like 95+% uptime due to average cloudy days in an area, which means they account for those really bad days where the clouds are just too thick. They use weather stats to project how much cloud cover each region will get so they can build bigger beams for that area.

In the past those beams would cover large areas (Like the entire USA). Now they're getting smaller (State Sized) so they can tweak how much signal could go to say Washington vs. Idaho. They're always trying to make this stuff better. But those newer sats at GEO cost 300+ million dollars per sat and are expected to last 20+ years. So it'll be a while before this new generation of GEO sat is out there.

The workaround would be. More signal power at the satellite (costly), or you as a consumer get a bigger/more powerful receiving antenna.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#36

Honestly, this is just awesome. It's a working demonstration of high-speed satellite internet, showing this approach is a viable solution for "anywhere on Earth" internet. For all those people who don't have broadband available, this will be life-changing. It'll only get better from here, welcome to the future :) (and remember that perfect is the enemy of good)

Having this kind of network is a good thing but the idea that any kind of satellite or wireless can replace wires is just fantasy. Delivering just 10Mbps to 100 million customers is over 900 Tbps. There is absolutely no way a satellite network can clear that kind of downlink bandwidth. And that's just a tiny fraction of the market. Physical cables/fiber represent several orders of magnitude more capacity and always w…

And even in remote areas, building out VDSL2 networks with relatively decent speeds (200Mbps down and 100Mbps up[1]) would be better, honestly.

Most homes already have a phone line and can support a DSL network... and in some countries a phone line is mandated by law, so the infrastructure already exists.

But, DSL is not nearly as "sexy" as thousands of satellites...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDSL#:~:text=VDSL%20offers%20s....

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#37

Won't these speeds dramatically reduce once there are a lot of users saturating the connections?

If the network keep up in this state probably. But the plans are to launch some thousand more satellites

>the plans are to launch some thousand more satellites

1000 more in that shell, but overall 11,578 more satellites (most of them lower than the current shell). Their target number is 12,000 satellites, with possible expansion to 42,000 (!!)

The sheer scale boggles the mind

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#38

What i'm more interested in is longer term (well, longer than a speedtest) consistency. 11mbps is fine if it's never less than 11mbps. Aiming for "20ms latency for gaming" etc is useless if the thing drops out even once in a game.

It should be fine unless a helicopter hovers over your dish, wind makes your dish unstable, the satellite reaches end of life, weather affects your frequency(rain/fog/snow), or predicted sun spots occur.

The price may be concerning if we compare to the current offers of competition. There are caps and bandwidth limitations. Satellite time is expensive.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#39

Honestly, this is just awesome. It's a working demonstration of high-speed satellite internet, showing this approach is a viable solution for "anywhere on Earth" internet. For all those people who don't have broadband available, this will be life-changing. It'll only get better from here, welcome to the future :) (and remember that perfect is the enemy of good)

Having this kind of network is a good thing but the idea that any kind of satellite or wireless can replace wires is just fantasy. Delivering just 10Mbps to 100 million customers is over 900 Tbps. There is absolutely no way a satellite network can clear that kind of downlink bandwidth. And that's just a tiny fraction of the market. Physical cables/fiber represent several orders of magnitude more capacity and always w…

Economies of scale work massively in your favor in this situation. You definitely do not need to sell the bandwidth 1:1, and the more customers you aggregate the more you can oversell. With 1gbps upstream bandwidth you can comfortably provide 1000 customers with 10mbps Internet service and they will virtually never see speeds lower than 10mbps.

Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps

#40

Honestly, this is just awesome. It's a working demonstration of high-speed satellite internet, showing this approach is a viable solution for "anywhere on Earth" internet. For all those people who don't have broadband available, this will be life-changing. It'll only get better from here, welcome to the future :) (and remember that perfect is the enemy of good)

Having this kind of network is a good thing but the idea that any kind of satellite or wireless can replace wires is just fantasy. Delivering just 10Mbps to 100 million customers is over 900 Tbps. There is absolutely no way a satellite network can clear that kind of downlink bandwidth. And that's just a tiny fraction of the market. Physical cables/fiber represent several orders of magnitude more capacity and always w…

Your math assumes all 100 million customers will be downloading at 10Mbps at the same time, all the time. Obviously that is not the case.
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