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Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

#31
Charity is to be considered charity when nobody gets to know about it.

Broadcasting it to the entire world charity to show the world how generous or or good one is, is uncharitable. This is just someone getting ego trip after spending 250k that they did not need.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

#32

It's a bit sad that you've taken a wonderful, altruistic act and cheapened it by feeling the need to broadcast it on the internet :(

> cheapened it I don't follow. Does broadcasting this on the internet reduce the number of lives saved? The point of altruism to save lives, so as long as those are maximized, I don't see any "cheapening" happening.

The point of altruism when you broadcast is to feel good yourself.

The number of lives saved remains the same whether you broadcast it or not.

So, what's the point in broadcasting?

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #31

Charity is to be considered charity when nobody gets to know about it. Broadcasting it to the entire world charity to show the world how generous or or good one is, is uncharitable. This is just someone getting ego trip after spending 250k that they did not need.

The lives get saved regardless. If writing a blog post makes you more likely to save an estimated 120 lives, you write the damn blog post.

A society in which status seeking individuals are incentivized to publically save lives with their money is a healthy society.

None of us are that impressive in the shadows. We're all a little performative, at our core.

May as well use our instinct for performance for good.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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It's a bit sad that you've taken a wonderful, altruistic act and cheapened it by feeling the need to broadcast it on the internet :(

I bought two of the limited-edition hardback books -- one for myself, and one to gift a friend. I'm very happy that Derek informed me that the proceeds are being donated to charity. Heck, I probably would've purchased more as gifts had I known about his plans ahead of time.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #31

Charity is to be considered charity when nobody gets to know about it. Broadcasting it to the entire world charity to show the world how generous or or good one is, is uncharitable. This is just someone getting ego trip after spending 250k that they did not need.

While the act of charity isn't as pure if theres a huge amount of publicity surrounding it, it doesn't mean that it isn't charity.

Also, it doesn't hurt to have some pride when you do good things.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion of "Dead Child Currency" ( https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6cRhG6PKeASdNHqxD/dead-child... ) may intrigue you.

I enjoyed that. Interesting to me that I value arbitrarily children so low. Getting my turbocharged engine vs. getting the same car without a turbo could have saved a couple of lives. I suspect I would have made the same choice and killed two kids for a turbo if I had thought explicitly in those terms then.

Kind of puts the trolley problem in a new perspective -- forget about saving five people or only one, it's more about whether or not you'd save five people or buy that long-range upgrade for your Tesla.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #31

Charity is to be considered charity when nobody gets to know about it. Broadcasting it to the entire world charity to show the world how generous or or good one is, is uncharitable. This is just someone getting ego trip after spending 250k that they did not need.

There is nothing wrong with effective charity. The problems start when you're merely creating the appearance of doing something by e.g. doing poverty tourism. Celebrities go to some random poor African town where they take some selfies to make them look sympathetic. They get their twitter likes and followers and then the topic is over for them.

Even the celebs are paying the "tour guides", what they've created is an industry where people pretend to be poor to make a living.

The problem is it's easy to get good publicity even when things get worse instead of getting better.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cheapened it I don't follow. Does broadcasting this on the internet reduce the number of lives saved? The point of altruism to save lives, so as long as those are maximized, I don't see any "cheapening" happening.

The point of altruism when you broadcast is to feel good yourself. The number of lives saved remains the same whether you broadcast it or not. So, what's the point in broadcasting?

Very true, as St. Matthew has written

"But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

A lot of charity is not for the sake of helping someone, but for the sake of making oneself to look noble, get publicity, or earn money (like those "buy X, then we will donate Y" promos).

Personally I don't have such bad feelings about that, as it is a win-win situation very often - those who need get something eventually. I can tolerate a little bit of hypocrisy in that case.

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #31

Charity is to be considered charity when nobody gets to know about it. Broadcasting it to the entire world charity to show the world how generous or or good one is, is uncharitable. This is just someone getting ego trip after spending 250k that they did not need.

Why?

What’s wrong with someone doing good and taking credit?

Heck, what’s wrong with them doing good solely for the credit? As long as doing good is the side effect, good is done

Is it because you don’t enjoy it as much, knowing who did it? Bit selfish. Or maybe it makes your own anonymous charitable works (or lack thereof) feel not as good? It’s a lot of money but this isn’t a race!

Re: $250k books sold, to save lives

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cheapened it I don't follow. Does broadcasting this on the internet reduce the number of lives saved? The point of altruism to save lives, so as long as those are maximized, I don't see any "cheapening" happening.

The point of altruism when you broadcast is to feel good yourself. The number of lives saved remains the same whether you broadcast it or not. So, what's the point in broadcasting?

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