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Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

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Agreed! We thought the coasts were getting a little too cocky, hence, we knew we had to break out Project Skyway... http://j.mp/acceleratormap

Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

Hey Matt, nice to see you chiming in. Appreciate the thoughts.

You say "You are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." Interpreted another way: everyone not smart enough or driven enough to move to the Valley we'll be stuck with. Second raters.

But you're missing the point: Is this pool still good enough? In the pool of 5,000 rejected YC and TS applicants per year are there any winners? We think so. We think there are a lot. Chicago is a far cry from SV or NYC yet a full half of Accelerate Labs' last class* went on to raise an impressive angel round. 50% follow on funding is nothing to sneeze at no matter how you measure it. Most accelerator programs cross their fingers for that.

You say "Thanks to Angel List you don't have to pay an accelerator for access". You just made raising a round leveraging AL sound really easy. You've found success with it -- is it really that easy? But even so, how do you think companies that are a tad too early for that going to maximize their chances of getting to that point? A Pedal Brain c. 2009?

You bring up good points, and I think that they lead to the fact we appear to be "just another YC". Stay tuned. This is just our first class (what we call a cycle). In 2012 and beyond we'll be focusing much more on niche cycles. Ones that are absolutely perfect for this ecosystem. See this year merely as our test drive, but we know we're not perfect. Factor that in before you short us into the ground. =)

Thoughts welcome. *http://www.exceleratelabs.com/portfolio/

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed! We thought the coasts were getting a little too cocky, hence, we knew we had to break out Project Skyway... http://j.mp/acceleratormap

Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

I am the founder of Project Skyway. Just checked out your web site Matt. Great product. Great accomplishment. Would love to have you in our network.

To respond to your comments, we chose not to entertain any device companies like yours because we do not have the expertise, network or resources to benefit these types of companies at this point. Since this is our first class, we wanted to have a narrow focus. This might change however as we add individuals like you to our network. If you don't fell for the spell of the coasts, that is, and continue to enjoy what MN has to offer to our entrepreneurial community.

BTW, I can make an intro for you to the CEO of one of the largest health clubs in the country. They do a lot of biking related events. Might be a good partner to get the word out about your product. Let me know.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

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Kudos to the launch. The makeup of the founding team thing will be the make or break. I've barely seen a recent success story of a startup where less then 100% of the founders were technical. It used to be possible but I expect that times have changed in this regard. Bluntly, this approach sounds wrong to me from an investment portfolio strategy point of view but I'm glad you are taking the risk and try it. I definit…

> I've barely seen a recent success story of a startup where less then 100% of the founders were technical. Groupon and Zyngas's founders aren't programmers. I'd say they're the two biggest hits of the last 5 years.

Correction: Andrew Mason actually is a programmer. He built Groupon in Rails.

Also, as the other commenter pointed out, Mark Pincus's co-founder Justin Waldron is a programmer, but Zynga's probably a bad example anyway because Pincus was very much an accomplished entrepreneur with a lot of resources at hand prior to founding Zynga.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

Hey Matt, nice to see you chiming in. Appreciate the thoughts. You say "You are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." Interpreted another way: everyone not smart enough or driven enough to move to the Valley we'll be stuck with. Second raters. But you're missing the point: Is this pool still good enough? In the pool of 5,000 rejected YC and TS a…

Hey Matt, nice to see you chiming in. Appreciate the thoughts.

Ah more MN Nice.

You say "You are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." Interpreted another way: everyone not smart enough or driven enough to move to the Valley we'll be stuck with. Second raters.

No interpretation needed. I said dedicated enough. You stated they weren't smart enough or driven enough.

But you're missing the point: Is this pool still good enough? In the pool of 5,000 rejected YC and TS applicants per year are there any winners? We think so. We think there are a lot. Chicago is a far cry from SV or NYC yet a full half of Accelerate Labs' last class went on to raise an impressive angel round. 50% follow on funding is nothing to sneeze at no matter how you measure it. Most accelerator programs cross their fingers for that.*

Geography does not dictate success. If so, Phoenix would have more successful incubators than Boulder.

You say "Thanks to Angel List you don't have to pay an accelerator for access". You just made raising a round leveraging AL sound really easy. You've found success with it -- is it really that easy? But even so, how do you think companies that are a tad too early for that going to maximize their chances of getting to that point? A Pedal Brain c. 2009?

It is that easy. If you can't get to the point of a prototype, you shouldn't be funded. If you can't convince someone to work for equity/options to get you to a prototype, you shouldn't be funded.

You bring up good points, and I think that they lead to the fact we appear to be "just another YC". Stay tuned. This is just our first class (what we call a cycle). In 2012 and beyond we'll be focusing much more on niche cycles. Ones that are absolutely perfect for this ecosystem. See this year merely as our test drive, but we know we're not perfect. Factor that in before you short us into the ground. =)

Do the startups applying this year and giving you 6% of their founder shares understand it's just a test drive this year?

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Matt, nice to see you chiming in. Appreciate the thoughts. You say "You are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." Interpreted another way: everyone not smart enough or driven enough to move to the Valley we'll be stuck with. Second raters. But you're missing the point: Is this pool still good enough? In the pool of 5,000 rejected YC and TS a…

Hey Matt, nice to see you chiming in. Appreciate the thoughts. Ah more MN Nice. You say "You are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." Interpreted another way: everyone not smart enough or driven enough to move to the Valley we'll be stuck with. Second raters. No interpretation needed. I said dedicated enough. You stated they weren't smart enoug…

You ask: "Do the startups applying this year and giving you 6% of their founder shares understand it's just a test drive this year?"

We're not going anywhere, nor will our support, nor will our mentors. We may change the focus of our classes (although we haven't decided yet) but nothing changes for our startups this August. They still receive massive value from us and will continue to long after they leave the nest.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed! We thought the coasts were getting a little too cocky, hence, we knew we had to break out Project Skyway... http://j.mp/acceleratormap

Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

Matt,

I'm not sure that I agree with you, for a number of reasons, but I cannot completely discount everything you say either. The idea that, because it is more difficult to build a software/web/mobile company in the Midwest; more difficult to get funded; and more difficult to become successful holds as much fiction as it does truth. And your assertion that, as you put it, we "are left funding founders not dedicated enough to their startups to move and give their startups the best chance." is kind of silly and naïve.

On a couple of different occasions I have heard you speak about the challenges you face in getting your company off the ground, and your product built. (most recently a couple of months ago at Bootstrapper’s Breakfast at Maria’s Cafe) and I understand your frustration. I was even there the night you originally pitched it, at MinneBar. And I don’t even disagree that the Twin Cities will probably never become a clone of Silicon Valley ($20... Inside Joke). But having lived there, I can honestly say, from the bottom of my heart... Thank God for that!

I know that this is a completely unfair, anecdotal example, but I have a company that I started last August, in the Twin Cities, got funded and is now on the precipice of becoming another wildly successful, Minnesota-based, early-stage tech company. It isn’t impossible, but it also probably isn’t as easy as it would be if I had a similar-sized network somewhere near the 101 corridor. However, that is kind of the point. It is absolutely ridiculous to think that I could simply jump on the BART from SFO, plant myself in the Tenderloin, haul my cookies down to 2750 Sand Hill Road and start begging for money from folks who have never heard of me. My network, the thing that is the real lifeblood of every successful accelerator, is here; my family is here, my home is here, and there are plenty of other reasons for me not to drop everything and go west, but they have nothing to do with a lack of commitment. In fact, I lived THERE for a while and chose to come back here to start my first company, to get away from some of the negative things that I felt weren’t conducive to my success. Since then, I have started, built and successfully exited from a couple of different companies, so I know it can be done.

There are SO MANY people here in the Midwest, for whom the Dream of Silicon Valley is so strong, that they think the streets of Palo Alto are littered with $50 million term sheets, where entrepreneurs get to keep 90% of the company they started 2 weeks ago. Most of the local "entrepreneurs" that have this terminal case of "SV Envy," have never even been there. (and usually have only talked about starting a company) The thing that we in the Midwest don’t seem to grasp is that good companies get funded and succeed, no matter where they are. There is not a higher rate of success, per-company-started, in SV, there are just many, many more started, so it is natural for folks to see the great number of successes as a sign that there are fewer failures. That is a fallacy.

After all, it would be ludicrous to think that a kid from Pittsburg, who had gone to Northwestern to study music, then dropped out of grad school to build a start-up in, of all god-awful places, Chicago, could make it work. It would be a certifiable miracle, if that company raised $165 million from VC’s in Silicon Valley (and Moscow), hired more than 1,000 people and turned down $6.5 BILLION from Google, because they figured they could make a lot more by waiting to do an IPO.

I guess the way I look at it, NOT having some of the "advantages" that you spoke of could be looked at another way. Perhaps the folks who stay in the Midwest, or (gasp) actually migrate TO the Midwest, see that this IS a different kind of place; though not necessarily better. But, it is the kind of place that, if you leverage your network; bust your ass; and ignore all the people who say it can’t (or shouldn’t) be done; spawns companies that will be around for a long time, create jobs, create wealth and create community pride. And, because we freely acknowledge that it IS definitely harder to raise money here than some other places, we need something like Project Skyway to help fund and mentor folks, so that we can build our own startup Mecca (or at least a place that isn’t repellent to early stage companies.) One thing we can definitely agree on though, the Twin Cities will never look or feel anything like SV.

As for the differences that have been pointed out between what we are doing with Project Skyway and what others are doing; we aren’t trying to be exactly like other accelerators, because we have a different set of issues facing us and we also bring different strengths. Cem Erdem is funding this with his own money and his vision and instincts, (along with mine) tell us we are heading in the right direction. Time will tell if we, like any early-stage company, have to pivot and try something different, but for now we are excited about what we have built so far.

In fact, we love YC, TechStars and all of the rest of the accelerators that have come before us, and we look forward to joining them in building an amazing nationwide, or even global, entrepreneurial ecosystem. No observer in one of our Project Skyway planning meetings (including me), has ever heard Cem, Casey or anyone else say anything but complimentary things about other accelerators, their founders, or their graduates. In fact, I think we can all agree that we likely wouldn’t be doing what we are doing, if it weren’t for them blazing a wide trail. There is something we can learn from all of them and we have done our best to do so.

However, we happen to believe that there is more than one way to support, inspire and help give life to early-stage companies and we are taking a slightly different course. In truth, there are far more ways that accelerators and the entrepreneurs who seek their support are similar, than there are differences. It is true that we do not REQUIRE a technical co-founder, but then there is no evidence that the single-most important component to building a successful tech company is having a founder who can sit down and code all night. In fact, there are plenty of reasonable arguments in support of both approaches and there are plenty of horror stories that provide ample anecdotal evidence for both as well. In the same vein, there is no rule that says that I cannot be just as successful as someone in another part of the country, so I choose to build my company here, where I have a strong foundation, a supportive network of other entrepreneurs and where there is plenty of money available to me to build a company that will change the world. And if, for some reason, I find that things are not as I believe them to be, I will take your advice and start hammering AngelList. But I didn’t see anything on their site about me having to be within 20 miles of an ocean.

We at Project Skyway are confident in our approach and in our ability to provide many of the critical elements that lead to building successful, sustainable, companies and, for the most part, those elements are derivative of the direction that the accelerators that have come before us have provided.

In the end, there is no magic bullet; no perfect solution; no supernatural zip code and no single formula that will make every early-stage company an unmitigated success. Regardless of how far we’ve come in the past 12 years to further our understanding of what specific kinds of resources evolve to create the best ROI for founders, investors, employees and communities, building early-stage tech companies is still akin to being a 19th century settler getting ready to cross the Mississippi River and head West; Great Potential - Poor Maps; But it is still worth the effort!

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proven returns isn't being cocky. If your plan to compete directly with the coasts startup for startup, idea for idea I wish you the best of luck. I'm going to have to short your stock though. The Midwest at this time and possibly forever can't compete against the coasts for the types of startups project skyway is looking for. They have more quality talent for web/mobile/social/etc. They have more advanced networks a…

I am the founder of Project Skyway. Just checked out your web site Matt. Great product. Great accomplishment. Would love to have you in our network. To respond to your comments, we chose not to entertain any device companies like yours because we do not have the expertise, network or resources to benefit these types of companies at this point. Since this is our first class, we wanted to have a narrow focus. This migh…

Just checked out your web site Matt. Great product. Great accomplishment. Would love to have you in our network.

My company is specifically listed as an example of a company you're not interested in on your website FAQ and you just checked out our website? Additionally I say something challenging about Project Skyway and you ask me to join your network? Thanks but you're better served by guys like Rob Weber and Justin Kaufenberg. They made it. I'm just in the process of.

we chose not to entertain any device companies like yours because we do not have the expertise, network or resources to benefit these types of companies at this point.

This is the part I just don't get. MN has more expertise in MedDev (Medtronic, Guidant, Mayo, United Health Care, etc) and hardware (Compellent, Xiotech, Cray, IBM, etc) than anything else. I guess I would add advertising to that list (Fallon, Olsen, Brew).

If you don't fell for the spell of the coasts, that is, and continue to enjoy what MN has to offer to our entrepreneurial community.

I'm staying. See above for the reason.

In the end Cem you've made a bet with your own money. We'll see how it plays out.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

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From their application: "Each member must have a moderately full [LinkedIn] profile with a minimum of 2 recommendations and 50 connections." Is this a thing now?

It actually is "a thing" now...or at least it is for us (Project Skyway).

We definitely questioned ourselves as to why we might want to include something like this. In the end, we feel it is a proxy for one's dedication to develop one's network. Certainly it is not the only measure by which one could reasonably judge someone's ability to have become involved in a community and it may not even be the right one, but social networking is a valuable asset and is a tool upon which many of us rely as part of an overall strategy to forward our business' goals.

Plus, because we don't have a crystal ball into which we can peer to ascertain the kinds of networks and organizations our founders have chosen to become involved with, this gives us some information that we might otherwise not be able to get. In the end though, this is just one small piece of a bigger puzzle that we are trying to construct which will ultimately tell us a lot about the people that we will be working with and giving money to.

Project Skyway is about the people, more than just the idea, because people run companies; people succeed or fail; and people are the most valuable asset (or the greatest liability) in any early stage company. We are looking for kick-ass PEOPLE with kick-ass ideas because without one, the other doesn't matter.

Re: Minnesota’s First Tech Accelerator Now Taking Applications

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I am the founder of Project Skyway. Just checked out your web site Matt. Great product. Great accomplishment. Would love to have you in our network. To respond to your comments, we chose not to entertain any device companies like yours because we do not have the expertise, network or resources to benefit these types of companies at this point. Since this is our first class, we wanted to have a narrow focus. This migh…

Just checked out your web site Matt. Great product. Great accomplishment. Would love to have you in our network. My company is specifically listed as an example of a company you're not interested in on your website FAQ and you just checked out our website? Additionally I say something challenging about Project Skyway and you ask me to join your network? Thanks but you're better served by guys like Rob Weber and Justi…

"My company is specifically listed as an example of a company you're not interested in on your website FAQ and you just checked out our website?"

Many people are working together to build Project Skyway. Although I approved our FAQ, I didn't make the connection when I saw your company name.

MN might have more expertise in MedDev or hardware or advertising. I don't. As you stated I am betting my own money. Naturally I put it where I know the most. I would invest in real estate in FL before I invest in a med company. And how much do you think I know about investing in real estate in FL?

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