YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by mdoms » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:27 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #28

reaperducer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Google made the bed for free and others wanted to pee in it. The rest blamed Google for the bed having pee in it and demanded they do something, including post 24 hour guards around the bed. I would take the bed away too.

Ah yes, YouTube, that product that Google made and that doesn't bring them any revenue. Two things that are definitely true.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by eyelidlessness » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:28 AM UTC

at_a_remove wrote: post #22

reaperducer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Ah, so in this version you have thirty-five million people who could agree on what is offensive. That's a daunting task without the "million" involved to begin with.

When you get hired as a regulation enforcer in any other scenario, it’s not your opinion but the actual regulations that determine your recourse. If it’s up to the opinions of the enforcement regime, that’s because the rules are unclear or opaque.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by twirlock » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:30 AM UTC

>fuck you, deaf people t. parody of an evil corporation

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by ehsankia » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:34 AM UTC

deadalus wrote: post #17

Alternative Free video hosting sites : https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://lbry.tv/ https://d.tube/ https://dlive.tv/ https://www.bitchute.com/

Which one of these provides community contributed captioning?

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by dathinab » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:42 AM UTC

darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

The problem is if >50% of your videos are content less garbage and another quarter is from large networks and a large portion of the rest is in English it's easy to see how such an misconception can come into existence.

(Note: Ratios are poorly guessed based in my experience).

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by wwweston » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:42 AM UTC

dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

uluyol wrote: post #9

Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…

They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.

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Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by reaperducer » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

at_a_remove wrote: post #22

reaperducer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Ah, so in this version you have thirty-five million people who could agree on what is offensive. That's a daunting task without the "million" involved to begin with.

in this version you have thirty-five million people who could agree on what is offensive

Yes, because that's literally what the parent posited in his scenario:

"Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone"

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by Dylan16807 » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:45 AM UTC

toohotatopic wrote: post #18

Seems like they have enough resources to train their translation NN and speech-to-text NN. I don't think google has introduced those features for the users in the first place but they were a means to get training data.

Earlier today I watched a video of two people talking. Youtube decided it was in french and the transcript had less than one word per minute, all of them wrong.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by frei » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:46 AM UTC

pwinnski wrote: post #15

llacb47 wrote: post #7

No, they are removing the ability to create them. The existing contributions will remain.

Not quite. It seems like creators have until September 28 to choose to publish existing community contributions, and if they don't, it seems like they will all disappear. That's how I interpret, "You have until September 28, 2020 to publish your community contributions before they’re removed."

I've done some translating on YouTube. What it means is if your translation is in draft mode (you're still working on it) on 9/28 it will disappear. The video creator shouldn't need to do anything here.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

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Post by dathinab » Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #26

uluyol wrote: post #9

Google just wants to eliminate any remaining trust users have in them, don't they? Every feature they remove, they do because it is a burden on feature velocity or maintenance. Fine, but why are they so bad at weighing it against long term trust? At this point, I expect the search box to search, Gmail to send emails, YouTube to host videos, maps to do navigation, and docs to edit docs. One core feature per platform,…

Except for the majority of users, eliminating spam and unmoderated content is far higher on the priority list than maintaining relatively niche features. Whether it be Reddit or Facebook to YouTube, people are demanding security and greater tech company control over features.

But if you remove spam videos from yt is it still a niche feature?

I don't need captions that often but if I do not then half of them are community provided in my experience.

This is (unintentionally) again hitting against videos with useful content, compared to this endless slew of pointless (and often content wise incorrect) click bait videos.