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How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

bobthechef wrote: post #26

First, we mustn't discount the importance of properly expressed anger. Just as there is such a thing as excess or inappropriate anger, there is also such a thing as deficient and inappropriate anger. What "inappropriate" and "excess"/"deficient" anger are will require mature situational judgement on the part of the parent. There's no way around that, and defaulting to "no displays of anger" is not a true substitute.…

"P.S. Is there perhaps an element of romanticism in this article?"

Totally. With all the readings about controlling anger, I missed a reference to the inuit custom of violence towards women.

https://www.pauktuutit.ca/abuse-prevention/gender-based-viol...

Although, maybe that violence is without anger. Would that be better?

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

tasogare wrote: post #25
ebg13 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Problematic" is a kind word for cherry-picked, misinterpreted, hypergeneralized, and contrary to available evidence with a hefty dose of noble savage xenoromanticism thrown in.

I’m always amazed at how English speakers took some loanwords from French, then derive their meanings up to the point they became offensive (examples: problematic, oriental). The issue is that for non-English native speakers those overloads are easy to miss (and usually absent from dictionaries), and a post can be made pretty trollish accidentally.

That is indeed a problematic point, for non native speakers.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

oh_sigh wrote: post #30
hutzlibu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a huge differenc between fantasy and making uo stories, which is great - and intentional misleading someone. So the story with the seamonster .. might be seen as a imaginative way of giving the truth about the dangers of the sea. (But I would just go with the general DANGER, so far I have not been to the sea with my toddler, but on rivers. And he respects it, without being scared irrational)

There's no indication that Inuit children become irrationally scared of the ocean because of the sea monster story they're told.

Then maybe they are at least partly aware, that it is mythology and not real.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by dwohnitmok »

rovolo wrote: post #15
dwohnitmok wrote: post #2

The article seems fairly problematic. https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/b0so4h/how_... EDIT: Well this is proving to be a pretty wild ride. As far as I can tell both this post and its replies (by TheAdamAndChe and ebg13) are getting voted down, which is very surprising to me (I would've expected either/or not both). That leads me to believe there's something wrong with my link. Does HN know something a…

Any discussion of parenting and Native peoples needs to include the context of the Indian Residential Schools. The state (Canada and the US) would force Native children to attend boarding schools with restricted parental visitation rights (legally compulsory in Canada 1894-1948, and de-facto compulsory for the 20 years before and after). The schools would punish the children for 'acting Native' (wearing traditional c…

Hmmmmm now we're getting somewhere if this is the heart of the objections.

However, this seems like it's covered by

> Also, the Inuit have changed a lot recently as they get influenced by European culture (but NPR did their interview with Inuit this year, who talk as if they're describing the present).

Granted I'm sure you'd find this far too lenient in terms of phrasing, something more like "Traditional Inuit culture was both destroyed by what was effectively Western cultural and actual imperialism and retroactively viewed and criticized through a warped Western lens."

But the basic essence of that is still addressed by Scott's comment. It may not be the way things used to be, and it may not be the "fault" of the Inuits at all, nor may it even be the right perspective to view Inuit culture.

Nonetheless the empirical observations made in this article seem to be in direct opposition to multiple other sources of data we have. That seems bad. More specifically it suggests the article is suffering greatly from selection bias and its conclusions are therefore suspect.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by riffraff »

gameswithgo wrote: post #21
sparker72678 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a lie in the way we'd typically talk about lies. It isn't meant to deceive. It's a myth. As a child grows and discovers that there isn't really a monster in the sea, are they going to resent their parents when they understand the explanation? I think that's the difference here.

Perhaps these kinds of magical ideas that we teach our kids makes them more susceptible to believing various religions/cults are real. That would be a downside.

unless, to quote the late Terry Pratchett[0], we _need_ to learn the little lies so we can believe the big ones. Justice, Mercy, Duty, that sort of thing. :)

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/583655-hogfather

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by corty »

tzs wrote: post #29

> Winter temperatures could easily dip below minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit Trivia: you can omit "Fahrenheit" after -40 without introducing ambiguity. -40 F == -40 C. (You can assume it is not K or Ra because those place their 0 points at absolute zero so -40 K or -40 Ra is not possible).

Kelvin is only used without "degree" or °. So -40°C would be 233K.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by JohnTHaller »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #20
choeger wrote: post #9

So a large part is to lie? I don't know. I mean, yes, I get angry by my children, and I don't know any parent that does not. Probably I get angry too often too early. But I really try hard never to lie to my kids. I even show them that I am angry because I think that's part of the game. Kids need to learn that other people have emotions. But telling stories about horrific creatures to avoid dangerous places? I don't…

Humans are really bad at estimating certain kinds of dangers. Invisible and slow acting dangers are consistently under-estimated, immediate & physical dangers are recognized easily. Teaching a very young kid that even if they are warm right now (especially inside, before going outside, or in the sun) that they still need to keep their hat on because they might lose it or not put it on correctly when it becomes cold a…

> Invisible and slow acting dangers are consistently under-estimated, immediate & physical dangers are recognized easily.

See: 2020

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by albatross13 »

tzs wrote: post #29

> Winter temperatures could easily dip below minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit Trivia: you can omit "Fahrenheit" after -40 without introducing ambiguity. -40 F == -40 C. (You can assume it is not K or Ra because those place their 0 points at absolute zero so -40 K or -40 Ra is not possible).

Just to add some clarification, this only works at -40.

-44F is -42.2222C.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by dwohnitmok »

dwohnitmok wrote: post #2

The article seems fairly problematic. https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/b0so4h/how_... EDIT: Well this is proving to be a pretty wild ride. As far as I can tell both this post and its replies (by TheAdamAndChe and ebg13) are getting voted down, which is very surprising to me (I would've expected either/or not both). That leads me to believe there's something wrong with my link. Does HN know something a…

If people find this link valuable can somebody please just rephrase this comment however it's meant to be phrased and repost it so that it doesn't getting buried due to my poor wording?

It's surreal to me to see a bunch of sibling comments higher up arguing over its conclusions when the article's premise is in serious question.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Post by oh_sigh »

hutzlibu wrote: post #33
oh_sigh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no indication that Inuit children become irrationally scared of the ocean because of the sea monster story they're told.

Then maybe they are at least partly aware, that it is mythology and not real.

Where does "making up stories" end and "mythology" start?
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