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Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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I love how we're starting to focus on our diets to prevent or cure a huge amount of diseases. You don't need drugs, expensive treatments, nothing, only a good diet. (read the comments below for an clarification for this statement) I personally can't work on a very low carb diet. Now I'm eating carbs again but NOT refined carbs. I make sure everything I eat is nutrient dense. Well, not everything, I'm not a robot but…

May I ask what kind of carbs you include in your diet?

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

#32
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Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

Thank you for posting this.

I too have healed "incurable" conditions with an (almost) all-meat diet.

I hope the message spreads quickly, and I'm sure it will, there are probably hundreds of thousands of similar cases by now (judging only by the popularity of some subreddits).

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Can someone explain why ketosis is the secondary energy system in the body and not the primary?

Our bodies are primate bodies. Primates are frugavorian omnivores (get most calories from fruit, and eat very little animal tissue (mostly insects)). Fruit contain mostly carbs: short carbs a.k.a. sugars. We're optimized for eating lots of sugar. Primates have a hard time producing fat from carbs (a process called lipogenesis), just a few calorie% per day. This, combined with the tiny bits of fat in fruits/insects, w…

I agree with a lot of what you said - I mean this with the highest degree of respect - but I've noticed a certain strain of assertions here that throws off alarm bells. Do you have some resources on this "frugavorian" thing?

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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I am 58, on a (mostly) strict ketogenic diet since 2013. It has worked wonders for me and I expect to eat this way the rest of my life. I eat a lot of meat and eggs as I have found that combination (1) is something I enjoy very much, and (2) makes me feel the best.

I didn’t have much weight to lose but I went from 175 to 160 (high school weight) and under 15% body fat. My energy level is consistently very good.

Diet is a subjective thing, of course, but at a minimum getting rid of sugars and processed food might be a good starting point for anyone.

Anecdote: my brother-in-law reversed his T2 diabetes and lost quite a bit of weight doing keto. His doctor had advised meds to “manage” the disease.

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in my personal experience. However, I suspect my body is just desperate to hold on to carbs and pack those bastards around my liver anyway, regardless of previous Keto periods or not. When I stick to Keto, I feel better, think better, poop better, I don't get headaches and I don't have acne. Is it magic? I dunno. The chemistry seems to support it. Years ago we called it Atkins (yes, I am older) and it worked gre…

I think the Atkins diet was low carbohydrate but not low enough to induce ketogenesis.

(Dietary) Ketosis is only partially about low carbs, the other major part of the equation is high fat. With Atkins (like paleo diets) you might get the right amount of fat intake to enter into Ketosis, but it’s more likely you will be consuming to much lean protein and you will continue using glucose as your primary fuel source.

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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It's been used to treat diabetes and seizure victims for a while so, yes. Personally I lost over 70 pounds (from 295 to 225 -- I'm 6'5") at one point using keto. My main concern is whether one who is on the diet for weight loss will become overly sensitive to carbs if/when they start eating them again causing the body to immediately store them away as far instead of burning them (and if so, how long would it take to…

Yes, in my personal experience. However, I suspect my body is just desperate to hold on to carbs and pack those bastards around my liver anyway, regardless of previous Keto periods or not. When I stick to Keto, I feel better, think better, poop better, I don't get headaches and I don't have acne. Is it magic? I dunno. The chemistry seems to support it. Years ago we called it Atkins (yes, I am older) and it worked gre…

> I feel better, think better, poop better

Same. Also, less tired and lost 20 pounds.

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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I'm going to go with a corollary to Murphy's law. Since anything that can go wrong will, every activity or substance is going to be the problem for somebody. As far as I can tell, the only thing that dieticians are consistently against is sugar in large doses.

They are also for the hard to market, varied diet but largely fruit and vegetables, moderate exercise, little or no alcohol, and regular checkups. I'm failing to some degree on these, I admit.

They are also for 7-8 bite sized 250 calorie meals every other waking hour. A feat that can only be feasibly achieved via living off ready-made readily-purchasable health snacks™.

There is no money in fasting, intermittent or otherwise.

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Before the advent of anti-seizure drugs, the ketogenic diet [1] was an effective and widespread intervention used to treat epilepsy. The downside is the discipline required to keep intake of carbohydrates below 15 grams per day, especially in children.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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It's been used to treat diabetes and seizure victims for a while so, yes. Personally I lost over 70 pounds (from 295 to 225 -- I'm 6'5") at one point using keto. My main concern is whether one who is on the diet for weight loss will become overly sensitive to carbs if/when they start eating them again causing the body to immediately store them away as far instead of burning them (and if so, how long would it take to…

Lost about the same amount but being less tall years ago without following a named diet.

I did quite a bit of research back then (reading up things as well as talking to people in the field) what to do. But basically the only things I found consensus on for long term effect are the very simplified intake less calories than you use rule and be consistent.

At least from my own experience I reckon the psycological aspect on you getting to enjoy or even prefer eating the new diet outweights details on how exactly they work in the body.

I think this is in part why Keto is so popular at the moment: even just the look of the dishes is much more appealing than what we typically thought of as diet meals.

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