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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#31
Given we've found zero proof that China has ever put backdoors in hardware.

And the devastation to their economy if we did find backdoors which would forever poison Chinese electronics is a far greater security risk to them, than any advantage they may possibly get from implementing backdoors.

I assume it's actually because 5G has to be found causing the Coronvirus and they are covering it up?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#32

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

I'm not sure it's just a China-US thing. I think Europe will increasingly find itself taking a role. India too.

To clarify, while US-China superficially seem like the 'sides'. Really, what I think is happening is that the values of many (especially Western) countries around human rights, democracy, freedom of religion and expression, are coming into conflict with a new kind of Chinese authoritarianism that really doesn't care for these things and is quite willing to subjugate large groups of people in doing so (Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, claims to Taiwan, etc.).

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#33
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This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Whether China liberalise is a red herring. This is a geopolitical clash of power. It's not about respective political regimes, it's about relative power and influence. If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'.

This is a good analysis. You aren't seeing a constant drumbeat of bad China news because the US suddenly cares very deeply about Muslim lives - otherwise we'd be hearing a lot more about India, for example. China threatens the US' global hegemony. To the extent people in power care about China's political system, it is used to rope in liberals to an anti-China stance and manufacture consent for various measures against them, military or otherwise.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#34
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dissimilar to how face masks are being made compulsory in shops by the British government. In 11 days' time.

You're assuming everyone who must to go to a shop in the next 11 days already have in their possession an appropriate face covering; the definition of which is as yet unknown.

they could introduce the measure immediately for all but essential shops, with essential shops a week later to allow people to acquire appropriate face covering

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#35

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

The alternative to Huawei in 5G is either Nokia or Ericsson. As an European I don't what to think that the US seems so against kit from a Chinese company and completely fine with kit from an European company. They should be worried about both. We also have a long term world domination plan (version 2.0)... ;)

> As an European I don't what to think that the US seems so against kit from a Chinese company and completely fine with jit from an European company.

The US would of course prefer that American technology be available, but since it's not then I suppose a partnership with two trusted allies is preferable to one with an untrusted adversary.

Nokia and Ericsson also aren't arms of the state widely believed (fairly or not) to actively facilitate global industrial and military espionage activities on behalf of a hostile government, so there's that.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#36
post #9

This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Whether China liberalise is a red herring. This is a geopolitical clash of power. It's not about respective political regimes, it's about relative power and influence. If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'.

This is why the Chinese strategy is not to give in to US bullying but create an alternative order in the world. Either the US comes to terms with it or we see the US empire lash out even harder

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#37
post #9

This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Whether China liberalise is a red herring. This is a geopolitical clash of power. It's not about respective political regimes, it's about relative power and influence. If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'.

> If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'.

Cite please. And won't the best way to debunk the "propaganda" be to just liberalize right? So ... everybody is waiting and has been waiting for decades, China should stop making excuses and get on with it.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#38
If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..?

Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern.

And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening?

Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#39
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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future-dating it is a sensible move to allow people to get used to the idea, to disseminate the news, and to allow time to obtain the necessary equipment. It will increase compliance compared to an immediate rule change. Bear in mind that only about 5%-10% of people in UK currently are wearing masks in shops (based on my own local observations).

While that is true, these rules should’ve been brought in months ago. (Also: do people really need more than one week?)

Months ago there were massive shortages of PPE and UK was largely in lockdown with most people only going out to exercise and to shop, not going anywhere else, and not seeing famliy, friends etc.

Now the risk profile of things has changed because people are out and about more.

But 11 days does seem a bit long, sure.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#40

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

Perhaps having to take a side in this is not necessarily a negative? Better sooner rather than later.

From a EU/UK perspective there’s no good coming from it.

It’s like being caught in a fight between your drunk uncle and your berserk cousin.

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