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ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
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Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#32Any prospective international student reading this should REALLY reconsider education in the US. The administration is using everyone as pawns in a massive game of vote pandering.
It's hard enough to study hard and achieve goals. Why come here where you will be treated like unwanted foreigners at best and asylees who should be arrested at worst?
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#33As some have pointed out elsewhere, the idea that "they can just do the courses remotely from their home country" has some issues: - live classes may happen in the middle of the night - tools like GSuite are blocked in China - internet connection quality varies Given the amount of revenue foreign students bring in, this seems like the admin is using access to those students as a lever to force schools to reopen prema…
There's also the sad reality that for many students, it's not possible to work unimpeded on school work at home. For many, university is the a psychological retreat from home circumstances that are distracting at best the best of times and downright abusive at the worst. It doesn't matter if your Internet is solid if you can't actually focus on the work.
Post quals grad students are going to be hard pressed to get a PCR machine, vivarium, or fluoroscope up and running in their parent's house. You know, machines vital to figuring out covid vaccines.
I've no idea how most of them will get any quality lab-bench research done. It pretty much nukes them.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only possible good thing I can see from a US student perspective is that it's now more reasonable to go to grad school in US. Many programs in STEM have gotten out of hand with the number of the foreign graduate students--in some programs the number is over 80% [1]. I think this has led to the US educating many persons who later leave the country for visa issues. Also, some of the competition to get in can be conside…
I highly doubt that's what will happen. How many of these programs are dependent on foreign tuition? These aren't efficient institutions, mind you, so a downturn could lead to collapse of the weakest ones, leading to increase domestic competition at the remaining ones.
How many of these programs are dependent on foreign tuition?
At least some are. And this is nothing new.
When I went to college decades ago, I and a bunch of my friends got kicked out of our university at the end of the semester because it was over its legislatively-mandated limit for out-of-state students. The university had loaded up on lucrative international students in previous years, and when the ratio was changed, people like me got the heave-ho.
The problem is that we have to remove the greed from the university administrators. But good luck with that.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#35Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.
Only possible good thing I can see from a US student perspective is that it's now more reasonable to go to grad school in US. Many programs in STEM have gotten out of hand with the number of the foreign graduate students--in some programs the number is over 80% [1]. I think this has led to the US educating many persons who later leave the country for visa issues. Also, some of the competition to get in can be conside…
> I think this has led to the US educating many persons who later leave the country for visa issues
I’ve never been to the US but, if this is the problem then wouldn’t it be better to make it easier for people to stay also after they have finished their degrees? If the goal is to have a lot of highly educated people in the US I mean.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#36This reads like "open your campuses or go fuck yourself". International students make up 6% of all the students in the US with certain institutions probably averaging very large numbers of international students.
This is the sad current state of affairs in this country. A pandemic became a political weapon.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#37Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.
It's not leadership.
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#38is there at least a countdown clock somewhere that marks the remaining time until this is challenged in federal district court?
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#39Chinese students will be safer in China. Bad news for US universities that built dorms and counted on the cash from foreign students. Now they can't come. Many families viewed studying in the US as a pathway to eventual residence. That's gone, at least until there's a new administration.
> until there's a new administration 197 days...
Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020
#40This also pressures universities to have in person classes regardless of the safety of that practice. Universities want to support their students, and indeed one of the draws of many university programs for international students is the entry into the visa system for employment in the U.S. One effect of this policy is to push universities to NOT be in the online-only category, even if it means risking lives by a policy the school would have otherwise preferred to avoid.