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iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, Power Adapter Sold Separately

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Re: iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, Power Adapter Sold Separately

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Post by ksec »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #21
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah in theory it's a defensible move, because we're moving towards standardized charging ports. However, Apple is the only one that's being weird about it, introducing the Lightning connector instead of e.g. switching to micro-USB. USB-C was still a while out when Lightning was introduced. But honestly they have no excuse to not adopt Micro-USB or USB-C.

As an iPhone owner, I don’t want USB-C. Not yet, anyway. The reason is that I don’t know how to be confident that a particular cable and power source will charge my phone well and won’t fry it. I expect Apple knows its customers would like to have confidence about this and that’s why they are holding off. With Lightning, I have been happy enough to plug into various non-Apple-brand chargers with USB-A sockets. Maybe…

Not sure why you are downvoted. We have covered enough problems with USB-C and people are still crying for it.

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Post by nailer »

lewisflude wrote: post #6

Makes sense! Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility. I will be interested to see how they communicate this to prevent first time iPhone users being left without a charging cable/power brick.

> Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility.

Sure, but if they do have a USB C charger, is it the right voltage?

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Post by panpanna »

leadingthenet wrote: post #11
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #5

These petty BOM reduction exercises from Tim Cook's Apple to claw back single dollars on products that are $1000 are starting to get egregious.

They also reduce e-waste. Few people need yet another lightning / micro-usb / usb-c cable and charger.

> They also reduce e-waste.

They do. But please note that Apple does this after years of pressure from EU and are one of the last companies to do so.

So please don't make them into some kind of champions for the environment.

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Post by vertex-four »

leadingthenet wrote: post #18
sk0g wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what would these benefits of lightning vs USB C be, aside from being endorsed and embedded in the Apple ecosystem?

I note how you didn’t ask about micro-USB, because you know it to be inferior. Well, first of all, lighting predates usb-c by a few years, so it’s an advantage that we thankfully haven’t had to endure micro-USB in that time. Then, lightning is a male connector which makes it more robust, compared to the female connector in USB-C. I’ve had multiple USB-C cables break when inserted a bit too aggressively, which has not…

My lightning cables break at least twice a year, and my iPhone 6S has a worn-out port - worst of both worlds. :(

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Post by moron4hire »

nailer wrote: post #32
lewisflude wrote: post #6

Makes sense! Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility. I will be interested to see how they communicate this to prevent first time iPhone users being left without a charging cable/power brick.

> Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility. Sure, but if they do have a USB C charger, is it the right voltage?

Voltage is standardized

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Post by ksec »

vbezhenar wrote: post #17

That's good as long as they'll reduce price for a power adapter cost. Also I'd happily buy iPhone without headphones with reduced price.

>Also I'd happily buy iPhone without headphones with reduced price.

With 5G, Qualcomm Modem, 5nm SoC, these are all but confirmed. Even if we are ignoring the possibility of mmWave Antenna, ProMotion OLED, FaceID 2.0. I would be happily surprised if they dont raise entry level iPhone Pro price by a $100.

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Post by ThatPlayer »

m0xte wrote: post #23
ralfd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lightning is symmetric, Micro USB is not. Lightning is smaller than USB-C.

Also from experience Lightning is a hell of a lot more robust than both.

My biggest issue with Lightning is that it doesn't support HDMI. iPhones (and iPads) transmit an encoded stream to the Lighting to HDMI adapters which then get decoded and converted to HDMI by a chip in the adapter. It adds encoding artifacts and latency.

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Post by rbinv »

lewisflude wrote: post #6

Makes sense! Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility. I will be interested to see how they communicate this to prevent first time iPhone users being left without a charging cable/power brick.

I would have agreed if you had said Micro-USB. I own tens of those with no USB-C charger in sight.

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Post by _trampeltier »

ksec wrote: post #28
lewisflude wrote: post #6

Makes sense! Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger, so splitting it up gives people flexibility. I will be interested to see how they communicate this to prevent first time iPhone users being left without a charging cable/power brick.

>Makes sense! Many consumers likely already have a USB-C charger I am willing to bet money the overwhelming majority consumer dont have USB- C chargers, only USB-A.

Yes, I think so too. And i think there are even different standarts for charging.
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