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The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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We. Shut. Down. Too. Early. In. Most. Places. For the love of God. Texas didn't have an outbreak when they shutdown! Nor did Oregon, or California. That is the difference. All of Europe shut down _after the virus had already grown exponentially_ in most places. We shut down Oregon when there were fewer than 100 cases. After three months of being shut down in Oregon the curve had nowhere to go but up! What in the hell…

By and large, places that weren't hit as hard as NY and western Europe assumed that they had some inherent privilege or immunity, and many of them are being proved wrong. It's a basic human behavioral characteristic. Even if you don't understand why you are better off than someone else, the default assumption is that you are intrinsically better. It might be true! But it's dangerous to assume it when you don't know the reason why.

So I think it's more of a tragic flaw of human nature than a particularly unlucky failure of timing.

The other issue with human nature is that people need feedback, so when you have 2-4 weeks of delay in the loop, things get out of control. You have weeks of believing falsehoods before reality starts to kick in.

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Those are immune to the sampling rate bias, but they are lagging indicators. Based on the recent widespread failures to socially distance (e.g. George Floyd protests, campaign rallys, etc), I suspect those lagging charts will start trending upwards. You can also correct for the sampling rate bias by looking at the number of cases per 100,000 tests (or similar). Does anyone have a link tracking that? EDIT: percentage…

Areas with BLM actions have not seen an increase in rates of infection. https://www.popsci.com/story/health/black-lives-matter-prote...

That seems... very suspicious. I doubt that the virus cares what the reason for a large gathering is. I don't think the BLM actions were using proper social distancing. But what does that leave? People who went haven't bothered to get tested since? Everybody wore masks, and that's way more effective than we thought? The gatherings were outside, and the Vitamin D is saving everyone?

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Jeez the protests really took their toll

It's not apparent that the protest caused this sort of growth in infection. Plus you'd expect to see growth occuring simultaneously in places like New York and Seattle, which just isn't the case like Florida, Arizona, and Texas.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Areas with BLM actions have not seen an increase in rates of infection. https://www.popsci.com/story/health/black-lives-matter-prote...

That seems... very suspicious. I doubt that the virus cares what the reason for a large gathering is. I don't think the BLM actions were using proper social distancing. But what does that leave? People who went haven't bothered to get tested since? Everybody wore masks, and that's way more effective than we thought? The gatherings were outside, and the Vitamin D is saving everyone?

There have been epi efforts to oversample people in the blm protests specifically to examine its impact on infection rates and find it didn't matter. They didn't have an explanation but suspected it had to do with the protests mostly being outdoors.

Re: The U.S. Has Officially Unflattened the Curve

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Hopefully this undermines your belief that technical people are in some way immune to all the biases, emotions, fears, hopes and general humanity of people at large. Frequently, they're worse; they believe themselves to be hyper-rational cyborgs driven purely by evidence, giving themselves carte blanche to assume they're unaffected and thus don't even need to examine their own thinking. Yes, I too am a mental mess an…

The person you are approvingly replying to is overconfident and wrong.

I gave you the official stats link. I check it twice per week, including today.

Wrong how? Or do you mean, "not-SJW enough for my taste"?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems... very suspicious. I doubt that the virus cares what the reason for a large gathering is. I don't think the BLM actions were using proper social distancing. But what does that leave? People who went haven't bothered to get tested since? Everybody wore masks, and that's way more effective than we thought? The gatherings were outside, and the Vitamin D is saving everyone?

There have been epi efforts to oversample people in the blm protests specifically to examine its impact on infection rates and find it didn't matter. They didn't have an explanation but suspected it had to do with the protests mostly being outdoors.

I suspect being outdoors makes a huge difference.

If the protests were a hotspot for new infections the states that are doing contract tracing should show that. I haven’t seen any evidence of it.

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