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Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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As a Brazilian, I'm pleased. Our central bank is going to release a platform called PIX. Financial institutions with more than 500.000 clients are required to implement it. Finally we are going to have a standard across banks, and money transfers are going to be less complex, clunky and costly. Of course, other apps have come before. We have apps like PicPay, PayPal and Nubank, just to name a few, that provide instan…

The Bloomberg article that The Verge is referencing says that WhatsApp plans to implement PIX: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-23/brazi...

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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God, stop using code blocks to quote things.

HN needs to have a proper way to do quotes. > doesn't indent beyond the first line once word-wrapped, | looks cute but is confusing, code-blocks suck, etc.

">" is fine. Nobody is confused by it. The only thing worth changing is to remind people to use it instead of inventing their own apparatus.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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Why do services like whatsapp need support for this? We have URLs people! Here I just send an URL to my friend via whatsapp. They click on the link. The site takes care of giving user whichever payment method they desire. User pays. That's it. From a user's perspective to pay I just have to click a link. And to get paid I just send a link. How easier can it get?

In Canada people can pay you by having your email or phone number in their bank app.

Works really well!

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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> money transfers are going to be less complex, clunky and costly. You really think the Brazilian central bank is going to make a smooth, efficient, and cheap money transfer service? What reason do you have to expect that to work?

Has worked elsewhere. Here in the UK, money transfer is mind boggingly fast, and free.

EU "faster payments" system. We don't quite have the last mile of hooking it up to apps with QR codes, though. To add another to the list, see Norway's VIPPS.

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If this is about Pix, and I believe it is, Government is killing competitors. If Pix is better, people will choose Pix, if WhatsApp is better, people will use it. Let's not force people to use a solution and create a monopoly controlled by the Government, again.

GP's point (which I believe is naive, I suspect foul play from competitors, especially big banks) is that FB was trying to corner the market through network effects before an open standard took hold and the Central Bank acted to stop that from happening.

And now PIX will never be implemented.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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Has worked elsewhere. Here in the UK, money transfer is mind boggingly fast, and free.

EU "faster payments" system. We don't quite have the last mile of hooking it up to apps with QR codes, though. To add another to the list, see Norway's VIPPS.

Is this what replaced ACH in the EU? It baffles me that it still takes 2-3 business days to perform transfers in the US over ACH.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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PIX will not be a service to end-users, it'll create a standard where any service can offer instant payments and transfers. It will increase competition in the long run because if you want to open a payments fintech, you don't need to go in every bank or other fintech to do agreements about how your app will communicate with then, you just use the PIX to communicate with everyone.

Sure, that's why I used the term "solution". I understand that PIX will be better than what we have today, but there's no reason to block other players and don't allow them to create their own payment solutions or products, based or not on PIX.

Sure there is. The government has the responsibility to create a free market. If a proprietary standard wins, you have a monopoly without competition. If the government standard wins that enables interoperability, no company can block other competitors.

Europe did the same and it worked.

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