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Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Post by singlow »

fragmede wrote: post #28
danShumway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this true? How would this be different than the Author's Guild negotiating ebook rates with libraries/Amazon? It seems like lots of industries have lobbying groups that represent multiple companies -- or is there an extra nuance here I'm missing?

Broadly no, because the barrier to entry for being a web developer is low, though there may be some subtlety depending on the exact actions the group takes. A high barrier to entry business would more easily face allegations of anti-trust and collision, eg all of the car dealerships in an area working together to keep prices high and keep competition out, but that's different due to how hard much more expensive it is…

That's good because collision is generally bad for car consumers.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

#33

Post by ocdtrekkie »

jedieaston wrote: post #23
LatteLazy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, I thought chrome was a loss making project, and the only reason it exists is because Google fund it for the data it generated and as part of their wider "use our stuff in exchange for your data" business model. So if you break up Google, chrome would have to cut its budget or stop existing. And either way, chrome extension Devs wouldn't be better supported than they are now would they? This is always my question…

A hypothetical Chrome Inc. (or Chrome Foundation) could make its money off of selling rights to the search bar (hypothetically to Google anyway), and, I suppose, donations. Enterprise support would be another thing they'd have to provide (and could sell), especially if they got the Chrome OS project. It'd be a speed bump, and they wouldn't have the full resources of Google, but I think it could make it. (But I don't…

And bear in mind: The amount they make this way could adjust, Google would have to be prepared to outbid Bing for default search placement. Bearing in mind, that whoever is the default search engine on Chrome controls the Internet, there's a lot of money at stake.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Post by lmkg »

singlow wrote: post #31
fragmede wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Broadly no, because the barrier to entry for being a web developer is low, though there may be some subtlety depending on the exact actions the group takes. A high barrier to entry business would more easily face allegations of anti-trust and collision, eg all of the car dealerships in an area working together to keep prices high and keep competition out, but that's different due to how hard much more expensive it is…

That's good because collision is generally bad for car consumers.

You probably meant "collusion" but what you wrote is, in fact, quite true as well.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

#35

Post by dogma1138 »

danShumway wrote: post #26
ThrustVectoring wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Chrome Extension developers are not employees of Google, but rather disparate businesses, so it'll be difficult to both successfully put pressure on Google w.r.t. terms of business and not fall afoul of anti-trust laws.

Is this true? How would this be different than the Author's Guild negotiating ebook rates with libraries/Amazon? It seems like lots of industries have lobbying groups that represent multiple companies -- or is there an extra nuance here I'm missing?

Publishers need authors to make money, google doesn’t need extension developers.

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Post by Craighead »

shash7 wrote: post #13
mellosouls wrote: post #7

Some previous discussions from a quick search to give some context to the frustration (sorry for the length, it's intended to be illustrative, I cut it at 10): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23219427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23229073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20186915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21232438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23285466 https://news.ycombinator.com/i…

Google doesn't care.

People keep asking for extremely private scopes and somehow Google doesn't care?

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Post by derefr »

dogma1138 wrote: post #35
danShumway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this true? How would this be different than the Author's Guild negotiating ebook rates with libraries/Amazon? It seems like lots of industries have lobbying groups that represent multiple companies -- or is there an extra nuance here I'm missing?

Publishers need authors to make money, google doesn’t need extension developers.

In theory, Chrome works fine without extensions. In practice, if Chrome was "banned by the Extension developers' guild" so that every other browser got to participate in the WebExtension ecosystem except for Chrome, people would leave Chrome quickly. (Sadly, probably for some "exactly Chrome, but not by Google" browser, rather than for Firefox.)

Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

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Post by dfabulich »

sergeykish wrote: post #21
crazygringo wrote: post #2

It doesn't matter if you're dealing with a store run by Apple or Google (or presumably anyone else): the stories are all the same. Presumably because to make the economics work, review and approval are done by poorly trained contractors who don't have time to do a proper job and need to meet quotas. And with anything security related, there's an inherent bias toward not giving information on the exact violations beca…

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Re: Chrome killed my extension and won’t tell me why

#39

Post by HenryBemis »

notRobot wrote: post #11

> Complaining on the internet should not be a support channel. Developers should not have to rely on the internet attention lottery. None of the huge tech companies (Google/Apple/MS/Amazon/etc) have an easy (or in many cases any ) way to contact human service representatives. This is intentional. People have been complaining about this for more than a decade. Every week there are multiple writeups on the front page o…

> Complaining on the internet should not be a support channel.

Oh the many times I have written to a company's "Support" forms and never got a response. And then I wrote to them on Twitter (message) and I got my answers in 2h or less... Unfortunately social media tend to be the escalation point..

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