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The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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The first [X] who did [Y] was a [Z].

Fill in the blanks.

Then follow the logic:

"Yes, I know we are "equal" but oh my goodness, look, this equal person did this equal thing!" ... yet this excitement implies lack of equality-- if equality was inherent, there would be no need to exclaim equality excitedly.

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Nobody is demanding that. It could just be that they want to.

Steve Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley was able to found a computing consultancy business in the 1960s staffed entirely by women that had been fired when they got married, as was the usual practise at the time.

Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. I was thinking more about today when I made my comment

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Nobody is demanding that. It could just be that they want to.

It's was definitely demanded or at least heavily expected in the 60s and 50s (when these women grew up).

Nowadays it's demanded that both husband and wife work, and it gave us the two-income trap. It's not even progress.

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Blaise Pascal is another example. Heard he did something with all kinds of triangles. He was quite invasive with his faith though.

And Reverend Bayes, too.

Yes, REVEREND Bayes was clergy, too, and what would we do in machine learning without Bayes' theorem? (His grave is in London.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Making a lifetime vow does not mean you turn your brain off. The Belgian priest, Georges Lemaître, first proposed the theory that is now known as the Big Bang and made other discoveries in astronomy and physics, and still served as a priest as well.

A service program I was associated with in the 90's had a government requirement that all social workers had their actions signed off my someone with a Masters in Social Work. That person was a Nun. It was amazing how many of the people we needed to provide the expertise to run those programs were Nuns.

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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And Reverend Bayes, too.

Yes, REVEREND Bayes was clergy, too, and what would we do in machine learning without Bayes' theorem? (His grave is in London.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes%27_theorem

It seems Bayes never actually wrote down what is now called Bayes Theorem. (Perhaps he knew of it). I think it was Laplace that recognized the full generality of the relationship.

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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To be more precise, she was a sister. A nun would be a woman consecrated to religious life who lives cloistered. While "nun" is used colloquially to refer to all women religious, the technical meaning is narrower.

As many other commenters have noted, there is a culture of many women religious receiving advanced degrees. One of my college friends who got his PhD in political science at MIT was surprised to discover that there were two women religious in his grad school cohort.

In parallel terms, "monk" and "brother" are often used interchangeably, but like with nun, a monk lives cloistered. A brother is a non-ordained man consecrated to religious life. While many brothers are monks, many monks are priests, and some brothers live non-cloistered lives, in the sciences, perhaps the best known would be Brother Guy Consolmagno who is a Jesuit brother and the Vatican astronomer.

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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My great aunt who is a nun got a masters in Chemistry in the 1950s. She said that the only other women in her program were nuns.

It's not really surprising, is it? In a society that demands of women to get married and raise kids instead of work, it's mostly women who aren't allowed to marry and have kids who get to do things like follow a higher education.

Well, it's more than that: even by the standards of the general under-representation in college at the time, women in STEM were (and still are) pretty uncommon.

My mom got an engineering degree, '64-'68, and was also pretty much the only woman there. Women were going to college then, it's just that any woman (like my mom) showing engineering aptitude was encouraged to be a teacher since, as she was counseled, "women don't become engineers".

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Shirley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Shirley was able to found a computing consultancy business in the 1960s staffed entirely by women that had been fired when they got married, as was the usual practise at the time.

Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice. I was thinking more about today when I made my comment

> Ok, fair enough I never knew this was a common practice.

What makes you think it was common practice? Exceptions are a thing…

Re: The first woman PhD in computer science was a nun (2013)

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It's was definitely demanded or at least heavily expected in the 60s and 50s (when these women grew up).

Nowadays it's demanded that both husband and wife work, and it gave us the two-income trap. It's not even progress.

If you have twice the labor, you can pay each person half as much (and double your profit) since consumption stays the same (to a rough approximation).

Financial capitalism at its best.

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