It is ironic how the western public generally frowns upon the silencing of dissident throught in China, and at the same time welcomes precisely the same behavior for "sensitive topics" back home.
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Zoom closes account of U.S.-based Chinese activist after Tiananmen event
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#32> Zoom did not respond to a request for comment. When you can't say anything that won't get you into deeper trouble, say nothing at all.
eh they probably just can't be bothered. how many other accounts have they closed? what other normal company things is the company doing on a day to day basis, journalists can't expect to circumvent the whole company calendar for something they latched on to as controversial.
this is a misaligned expectation from the journalists and everyone swayed by what the media, and thats true without making any opinion on the particular issue at hand
you have to assume this is going to harm the company for their lack of defensive response to mean anything. but maybe they are still converting customers into paying ones, maybe there is still enough liquidity for a secondary offering, maybe there are partnerships in the works that are more important and lucrative that don't care about the media frenzy
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#33Zoom seems to be botching this unique opportunity that the pandemic has presented to them. They are getting dragged way too deep into a geopolitical crisis. I know several companies in N. America that are already transitioning from them. That's all what their competitors wanted to see.
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#35I wonder if we'll hear the "they're a private company, they can do what they want, it is only censorship if the government does it" routine.
I remember about a decade ago when certain parties were so concerned with voices being silenced and "erasure." The same people are now cheering when Facebook, Twitter, and the like shut down certain kinds of speech, with great discretion as to how the "rules" are implemented. These parties have been quiet, so much so, over China.
Down we slide along the slippery slope!
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#36Not just Zoom; China has effective means to pressure. > In 2019, LinkedIn blocked Zhou's account from being visible in China, telling him in a message it was because of "specific content on your profile." LinkedIn restored his account after media attention.
But, in a way, that's not news. It's not like anyone suspected MS of being trustworthy.
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#37This is what everyone was afraid of with zoom. That like many other companies out of communist countries they aren't independent and will actively subvert democracy.
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I feel I should be careful believing this until I see a source reference of some kind.
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#39I remember the good old days when we all thought that tech would help export democracy and free speech...
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> wind up with a leader who truly "drinks the koolaid," who assumes the state propaganda to be reality There possibbly is no leader in history who drank the state propaganda koolaid as deeply as Chairman Mao. He accidentally murdered tens of millions when the propaganda turned out to be incongruent with reality. Meanwhile he stayed in power by butchering millions of potential opposition members, and by having nukes a…
What's going to happen when he's gone? Does the next leader understand well enough? How about the next? It's the same reason we're seeing so much strife in the US. In the US, societal opinion and legislative action hardly follow the same path. In fact, IIRC, public opinion has almost no impact on legislation. Wonder why everyone here feels like we're going down the wrong track?
Why would Xi care?