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Reflections on the color of my skin

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Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

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6 months training for a police officer is appallingly low. German police officers undergo 3 years of training, including extensive training in de-escalation.

Yet with their three year they still said “sorry it happens all the time, nothing we can do” when we got burglarized.

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#32

In New York city, the portion of Black people killed by police gunfire is perfectly aligned with the portion of Black people firing on police officers: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_plan... 52.6% of murders are carried out by African Americans: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 49% of Black children live in single-mother households, which is double the rate of H…

Sounds as if the US has a problem with unfettered access to firearms, which has flow on effects that justify questionable police behaviour alongside making policing itself much more life threatening than it would otherwise be.

I wonder if that will get looked into.

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

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post #15

And just like that, everybody is obsessed with race again. Such a progress.

What utopia of a country do you live in where people didn't care about race up until people started protesting about police brutality against black people?

you missed the word "obsessed"

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#34

6 months training for a police officer is appallingly low. German police officers undergo 3 years of training, including extensive training in de-escalation.

That’s 6 months in the academy, they are then made probationary officers for about 2 years. In Germany it depends on the path, the police academy includes not only police training but general education (hence why they are called police universities and offer degree programs too) to at least college levels in the US and you may also elect to get your bachelors degree as part of the training. If you already have a degr…

I've heard claims that a large part of the problem is this probation period, during which the candidates are made to unlearn all the teaching from the academy and taught the real ways of the street: that is to say the actual practice at the station that has been handed down since time immemorial.

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#35

Upvoted. I am honestly disappointed at how this board seems completely of out touch with what's going on in the US. And not a single official line from ycombinator as well, so far. I would also point out that, despite a quest for diversity that spans a few years, now, a quick glance at the people page of ycombinator shows an appalling truth: there is not one single black person listed. https://www.ycombinator.com/peo…

What are you arguing for? Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity? The first can be dismissed as another form of racism outright, so let's talk about the second. Do you think that black people have not had equal opportunity?

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Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

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In New York city, the portion of Black people killed by police gunfire is perfectly aligned with the portion of Black people firing on police officers: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_plan... 52.6% of murders are carried out by African Americans: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 49% of Black children live in single-mother households, which is double the rate of H…

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Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s 6 months in the academy, they are then made probationary officers for about 2 years. In Germany it depends on the path, the police academy includes not only police training but general education (hence why they are called police universities and offer degree programs too) to at least college levels in the US and you may also elect to get your bachelors degree as part of the training. If you already have a degr…

I've heard claims that a large part of the problem is this probation period, during which the candidates are made to unlearn all the teaching from the academy and taught the real ways of the street: that is to say the actual practice at the station that has been handed down since time immemorial.

Could be, but they are still tested on the book throughout their probationary period the question is really how well the training officers are vetted.

However again it’s not that terribly different than many other countries where you either get an academic degree and then practical training or if you already have a degree you are essentially given a crash course and sent into practical training as an apprentice/trainee officer for about the same time frame as the probationary period in the US.

In the UK you have 3 main paths, apprenticeship which takes about 3 years, a degree program which takes about 3 years and a degree to policing program which takes about 2 years.

The first and the last pretty much put you on the street right away the middle is a combination of academic learning and on duty training.

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#38
post #26

In New York city, the portion of Black people killed by police gunfire is perfectly aligned with the portion of Black people firing on police officers: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_plan... 52.6% of murders are carried out by African Americans: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 49% of Black children live in single-mother households, which is double the rate of H…

Step 1. Systematically lock up african american men through unequal enforcement of laws, invention of bullshit pretexts (see "crack" vs "cocaine"[1]), and racist policing. Step 2. Use the lack of male role models in the household as an explanation for why african americans are culturally inferior. [1] https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...

On that point I will definitely agree. We need to end the drug war. Legalise and regulate marijuana, and decriminalise all other drugs. If there is single policy which marginalises and unfairly impacts the working class and particularly African-Americans, it is current drug policies.

But who, in the midst of all this, is putting the pressure on to reverse drug policy?

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step 1. Systematically lock up african american men through unequal enforcement of laws, invention of bullshit pretexts (see "crack" vs "cocaine"[1]), and racist policing. Step 2. Use the lack of male role models in the household as an explanation for why african americans are culturally inferior. [1] https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?articl...

On that point I will definitely agree. We need to end the drug war. Legalise and regulate marijuana, and decriminalise all other drugs. If there is single policy which marginalises and unfairly impacts the working class and particularly African-Americans, it is current drug policies. But who, in the midst of all this, is putting the pressure on to reverse drug policy?

I think the point is that you are defining systemic racism wrongly if it excludes the drug war.

I always thought systemic racism means the policies that lead up to this. I never interpreted it to mean that if we look at the data for a particular institution, we will discover evidence that individuals within that institution are conspiring against black people.

Like, the drug war and mass incarceration ARE the systemic racism...

Re: Reflections on the color of my skin

#40

Upvoted. I am honestly disappointed at how this board seems completely of out touch with what's going on in the US. And not a single official line from ycombinator as well, so far. I would also point out that, despite a quest for diversity that spans a few years, now, a quick glance at the people page of ycombinator shows an appalling truth: there is not one single black person listed. https://www.ycombinator.com/peo…

This kind of claim is ridiculous and hurts your cause. If you are going to hire people based on the color of their skin you are actively being racist, even if it is in order to promote diversity. EDIT: I would add, if you think that I'm wrong I encourage you to reply to me to let me understand why. If you just angrily push the downvote button I'll not understand your point of view.

Because once racism is systemic, actively avoiding racism will continue to perpetuate the current situation. Great if you're part of the privileged group, not so much much if you're hoping for a change.
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