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Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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In the realm of corporate censorship, I still believe that politics is much less important to companies than profits. My takeaway from censorship on YouTube and other social media is that it's levied at content that could reflect poorly on advertisers. Inconvenient and controversial content more so than any specific political views. Granted, controversial does overlap with politic and especially fringe politics.

Personally I'm much more worried about infrastructure becoming closed off than any specific sites. I don't know whether companies' moderation is effective or not. I trust the market to sort that out. What would be really concerning, though, is if the underlying infrastructure starts conducting censorship of their own.

We've already witnessed this to a degree with 8chan being effectively wiped off the face of the internet for the better part of a year. Square and other payment providers have started refusing to do business with certain people and groups. I'm less concerned of a world where Facebook censors its content, and much more concerned with a world where someone can't even run their own personal website because DNS providers, payment providers, and hosting services have blacklisted them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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post #18

The only concession I want from the pro-censorship crowd is that they oppose democracy. If you want unaccountable private social media corporations to be the arbiters of what is allowed to be discussed so be it, but just admit that you hate democracy and that you are a die hard technocrat.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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post #28

More mental gymnastics and gyrations to justify muzzling the opposing narrative.

People fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out. What was PC today may not be PC tomorrow depending on dynamics. They don’t understand the same forces they want to use to muzzle someone today can become the force that muzzles them tomorrow. They like Jack censoring twitter only because he aligns with them. They don’t like Mark right now because he doesn’t 100% align…

> People fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out.

This is why Free Speech is so important. Regardless of how inappropriate someone's speech is, or may seem in the present context, they should be allowed to express it as long as they are not directly inciting violence/hate. Not all countries have this Right so let's take a second to appreciate that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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More mental gymnastics and gyrations to justify muzzling the opposing narrative.

If the opposing narritive is propaganda or hatred, who’s doing the mental gymnastics here?

Propaganda: Communication that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented. [2] Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals can also produce propaganda.

Facebook would look quite interesting if they uniformly censored all governments, activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals attempting to influence an audience and further an agenda.

The only place on the internet that I know has a policy like that is Wikipedia itself, and far from everyone agree that they are effective in enforcing that policy.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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post #18

The only concession I want from the pro-censorship crowd is that they oppose democracy. If you want unaccountable private social media corporations to be the arbiters of what is allowed to be discussed so be it, but just admit that you hate democracy and that you are a die hard technocrat.

No.

Today's world is vastly more complex than it was in our ancestral environment, and that makes assessing truth very hard. It's not possible for anyone to directly access all primary sources, so we have no choice but to set up some kind of division of labor in the assessment of truth. Scientific peer review is one example of such a division of labor. We trust peer reviewed publications not because peer review is flawless, but because we have to do something to triage the myriad firehoses of information that exist in today's world, and peer review is the best we've been able to come up with so far.

Handing over the arbitration of truth to unaccountable private corporations is, like peer review, far from optimal. But we have to do something or those who are out to deliberately deceive to advance their political agendas will win. It is always easier to destroy than to create, and it is easier to promulgate a well-crafted lie than the truth. Those are the facts on the ground that we as a society have to grapple with. It's a hard problem and none of the solutions that have been proposed are optimal. But that's no excuse not to try to do something. If we don't, society will descend into chaos and authoritarianism. Fact checking by social media platforms is far from optimal, but it's a hell of a lot more likely to advance democracy than survival of the fittest con man.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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> Zuckerberg should take note. Yes, it’s crazy for one person to have such massive control over what people say online. But like it or not, our system gives leaders of huge corporations massive power. In his total control of Facebook, he must be the arbiter—of harm. We must demand that he perform that role in the best possible way, minimizing the toxic speech posted by his customers, whether they are peons or preside…

> I still believe that tech companies should focus on building tech

You missed the whole point of the article, which is that "building tech" at that scale is inseparable from widespread political implications.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg Is an Arbiter of Truth–Whether He Likes It or Not

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post #29

There are multiple reports that all over the country in rural areas people read fake facebook posts and mobilized arms in a bid to protect their area from "antifa". Zuckerberg did not want to get into the vetting business because incidents like this will then fall squarely on them. Now he doesn't have to care and can just count the dollars from all kinds of clicks.

https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest...

> Off Twitter, viral text messages of screenshots of doctored tweets have circulated throughout the country. Some of the false text messages claim that extremist groups are plotting to move into residential areas this week.

> Bot researchers call this kind of disinformation distribution "hidden viral" text messages, which go undetected on mainstream platforms like Facebook and Twitter and can spread like wildfire without moderation.

Should SMS/MMS messages also be censored by the phone companies?

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