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Mental Wealth

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Re: Mental Wealth

#31
The article contradicts itself.

The first half talks about how to treat mental health like we treat physical health, and we treat physical health in a transactional "businesslike" way.

The second half of the article proposes doing exactly the same: extreme measurement of pathologies and solutions instead of going for what feels right to your body.

Re: Mental Wealth

#32

>When it comes to mental health, our society approaches it like we did with physical health 50 years ago. We only think about it when something is wrong. I'm not sure about the broader society, but I think this mentality is still prevalent in both physical and mental health these day. My mother was a very health conscious person (to the level of insanity) but one attitude she showed that I think lead to long term men…

Sorry but this is nonsense.

You're suggesting that I shouldn't get the same chemotherapy for relapsed cancer or that my relapse is because of "something in my life is terribly wrong".

Because the treatment worked to get it in remission, fuck me for wanting to take the same medicine again?

Lots of people suffer from poor health through no fault of their own. Arguing that their ills must be because of poor life choices is victim blaming.

Just because you're lucky enough to not have suffered chronic ill health doesn't mean others have been so lucky.

Take pleasure in your fortune, but don't try to take all credit for it.

Re: Mental Wealth

#33
I find articles like this one where 100% of the onus for coping with mental health problems is put on the individual quite annoying. There's nothing in the article about getting help from other people, or how to cope with problems that you can't fix easily. It's kind of a toxic attitude because it makes others believe people with mental health issues just aren't trying hard enough and completely ignores individual circumstances or our ability to help ourselves. It's all very well to tell people with mental health problems that they should sleep better, eat better and get some exercise, but that ignores the fact that mental health problems can physically stop people doing that.

If fixing your mental health was simple then it wouldn't be such a prevalent problem.

Re: Mental Wealth

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of “western” medicine, I prefer to call it “evidence based, tested with randomized controlled experiments, mechanism of action deduced” medicine. No data, no medicine. Even then, medicine is super hard since there is so much complexity in the human body and variations across populations, and experiments are extremely costly.

Yes, that's what I meant. The article was blaming western medicine and the comparisons are often made between eastern and western medicine - western referring to the current mainstream approach.

The current mainstream approach of western medicine does not follow this - eg. there is little evidence that anti-depression drugs actually cure depression, and the side-effects are horrible. Yet the pharma industry profits greatly by selling snake oil that just makes people more sick.

Re: Mental Wealth

#35
By the title, I thought this would be about the idea of defining wealth by your mental state, mood, or knowledge, and not yet another "let's apply overly-rational financial analysis to everything but not actually question the bigger systems at play" article.

If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. - Benjamin Franklin

Re: Mental Wealth

#36

>When it comes to mental health, our society approaches it like we did with physical health 50 years ago. We only think about it when something is wrong. I'm not sure about the broader society, but I think this mentality is still prevalent in both physical and mental health these day. My mother was a very health conscious person (to the level of insanity) but one attitude she showed that I think lead to long term men…

Sorry but this is nonsense. You're suggesting that I shouldn't get the same chemotherapy for relapsed cancer or that my relapse is because of "something in my life is terribly wrong". Because the treatment worked to get it in remission, fuck me for wanting to take the same medicine again? Lots of people suffer from poor health through no fault of their own. Arguing that their ills must be because of poor life choices…

I disagree. I think parent post has a similar view to Johann Hari, who also emphasizes solutions to mental health problems on the level of community.

I would say what it means that medical intervention should be used only as a last resort (or quick) measure.

Re: Mental Wealth

#37
post #33

I find articles like this one where 100% of the onus for coping with mental health problems is put on the individual quite annoying. There's nothing in the article about getting help from other people, or how to cope with problems that you can't fix easily. It's kind of a toxic attitude because it makes others believe people with mental health issues just aren't trying hard enough and completely ignores individual ci…

I think you're being a bit harsh toward the article here. I think it's well supported that just like physical health (e.g. being overweight), maybe even more so, it's near impossible to help someone with mental health issues that doesn't want to be helped. That's not to say that others can't affect you or that you don't have a responsibility to care about and protect the mental health of those you interact with. But it needs to start and end with each person themselves. Yes, there are network effects, but each person needs to acknowledge the problem themselves before they can become a part of the solution, both toward themselves and others - and this article helps people do that by highlighting the issue.

Re: Mental Wealth

#38
post #33

I find articles like this one where 100% of the onus for coping with mental health problems is put on the individual quite annoying. There's nothing in the article about getting help from other people, or how to cope with problems that you can't fix easily. It's kind of a toxic attitude because it makes others believe people with mental health issues just aren't trying hard enough and completely ignores individual ci…

Actually the article right at the beginning asks the reader not to equivocate mental health with mental illness and heath, or rather wholistic well-being, is actually almost entirely the proactive responsibility of the individual. The basic starting point is fitness which applies to mental health conditioning just as it does to physical exercise.

To be fair to your point though the article does say we should shift our thinking on mental health to the same perceptions granted towards physical health. That should mean the mental health evaluation equivalent of a physical every four years. That is absolutely beneficial to everybody because even perfectly healthy people get regular physicals even when they are perfectly healthy.

Re: Mental Wealth

#39

It always surprises me how little value is given to positive human relationships and community when considering mental well-being. It's in my opinion the second most important thing after sleep.

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Re: Mental Wealth

#40

I wouldn't put much stock in Ayurveda or even worse, Traditional Chinese Medicine, except some of the treatments which have been proven to work. There's a reason why western medicine is superior - it follows evidence-based modern scientific and research principles, not hogwash.

"western" as opposed to what? Isn't scientific medicine practiced in Japan? Or Australia? Russia?

It's a very odd use of the world "western"...

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