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Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

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Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

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What motivates a research mathematician to publish their work under a collective pseudonym? I can't imagine that something like that is good for one's career.

I don't think that anything published under Bourbaki's name is considered research work, though.

Exactly. I think the goal was to formalize and codify mathematics. They didn't publish any original papers.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a necessary "pendulum". I doubt that if Bourbaki hadn't existed, then the likes of Arnold would have not produced their beautiful (and useful) advice on mathematical pedagogy.

Nope; that's not an argument but a platitude.

This comment seems to be self-describing.

Edit: ok, that may be a stretch, but I thought it was amusing because my comment could also be interpreted as describing itself.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

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post #14

I think this is like saying: the greatest scientist of all time is "et al", who mastered all disciplines (including mathematics). Edit (clarification): I mean, by conflating multiple people's work as one (by whatever criteria, in this case a common pseudonym), comparison becomes meaningless.

'et al' may be the most published author. But ibidem gets way more citations.

> I mean, by conflating multiple people's work as one (by whatever criteria, in this case a common pseudonym), comparison becomes meaningless.

Meaningless in a strict sense. But good enough as a hook for an article.

Compare also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Maria_Mierscheid

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that anything published under Bourbaki's name is considered research work, though.

Exactly. I think the goal was to formalize and codify mathematics. They didn't publish any original papers.

They published a couple of original papers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki#Articles

I assume they were lacunae in the literature that came up while writing the books, but Wikipedia doesn't explain.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

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post #12

I feel like Bourbaki set back teaching mathematics a great deal, by focusing too much on the abstraction rather than the concepts and intuition behind it. V.I. Arnol'd does a better job of elucidating on this idea than I ever could in his "On Teaching Mathematics": https://www.uni-muenster.de/Physik.TP/~munsteg/arnold.html

Bourbaki makes terrible introductory textbooks, but are great references when you are already motivated and just want an efficient presentation.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#36

In the early days of HN, there was a super prolific user nickb https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nickb I always thought it was an homage to Nicolas Bourbaki by pg and his friends who were using that account as a sock puppet. It was disputed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21825207 I guess we'll never know.

I wonder if there can be a public version of this by sharing passwords openly but in a twisted way.

1. Create an account.

2. To know the password, you visit a service that gives you the password.

3. The service changes the password immediately in 10 seconds before which you login.

4. You can now post stuff with the account but can't change the password allowing another user to chime in.

Now the service basically needs to not allow another user to login in 10 seconds. If the website doesn't allow multiple users to login then there needs to be an etiquette of one user at a time, although you can kick off the user after a definite amount of time if the website allows logout from all sessions.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#37
post #12

I feel like Bourbaki set back teaching mathematics a great deal, by focusing too much on the abstraction rather than the concepts and intuition behind it. V.I. Arnol'd does a better job of elucidating on this idea than I ever could in his "On Teaching Mathematics": https://www.uni-muenster.de/Physik.TP/~munsteg/arnold.html

Bourbaki makes terrible introductory textbooks, but are great references when you are already motivated and just want an efficient presentation.

I think that holds for all French math books. You literally have to be an expert before reading a book according to them. (I studied in France).

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#38

In the early days of HN, there was a super prolific user nickb https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=nickb I always thought it was an homage to Nicolas Bourbaki by pg and his friends who were using that account as a sock puppet. It was disputed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21825207 I guess we'll never know.

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Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#39
post #14

I think this is like saying: the greatest scientist of all time is "et al", who mastered all disciplines (including mathematics). Edit (clarification): I mean, by conflating multiple people's work as one (by whatever criteria, in this case a common pseudonym), comparison becomes meaningless.

Are you, by any chance, reading the subtitle as “The greatest mathematician, who never lived” (i.e. Bourbaki was the greatest mathematician, and he never lived) rather than as (what's written) “The greatest mathematician who never lived” (i.e. among the mathematicians who never lived, Bourbaki was the greatest)?

The latter is a common snowclone especially in headlines, like (from https://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+*+*+you+haven%27t+hea...) “The Most Important Filmmaker You Haven't Heard Of”, “The Coolest Apps You Haven't Heard Of”, “Meet Vulfpeck, the best band you haven't heard of yet” — e.g. the last one doesn't mean that Vulfpeck is the best band, just that among bands you (probably) haven't heard of, it's (according to the author) the best.

Re: Nicolas Bourbaki: The greatest mathematician who never was (2019)

#40
post #26

What motivates a research mathematician to publish their work under a collective pseudonym? I can't imagine that something like that is good for one's career.

It was done for the advancement of mathematics , not something so trifling as an individual's career. Explaining this makes me feel incredibly old.

People, including mathematicians, have been career driven for a lot longer than we have been around.
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