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Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by harry8 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

From overseas this looks like someone abjectly refusing to face it's countries problems.

I don't think Russia or any other nation could possibly have anything more than the most minimal effect on what happens when you have an underclass, who have just lost their jobs on mass and with it their health insurance looking at whether Bezos who pays no tax is going to become a trilionaire while the disease of police brutality rages on with the usual denials.

You really consider poor people so stupid they need a conspiracy of Russian trolls to be angry?

Maybe every time someone is threatening the power of the corrupt, be they Trump, Sanders or a mass, spontaneous protest yelling "it's the Russians" is a huge part of the problem.

Russia is totally uninteresting. The USA is interesting. It matters.

Any time I'm agreeing with talking points of the military industrial complex and their bogeyman fear mongering (and it /does/ occasionally happen), i think harder to make sure I've considered the other angles deeply enough.

Just quietly, there's a lot more evidence of the fbi running political campaigns than Putin just now. You're allowed to hate Flynn while buying the fbi hatchet job run from the J. Edgar Hoover building is utterly astounding. Maybe the FBI are Putin's, maybe Comey is Putin's.

It's just insane this putin under the bed theorising.

In other news anyone paying attention to evidence found it there was never any for Russian hacks of the democrats mail. Assertions without evidence from the people who brought you weapons of mass destruction. So it keeps working. And yes putin is as awful as Saddam was. S.F.W. the truth /matters/

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by bravo22 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #29

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

The US is by far the most likely hostile state actor. They are the ones that benefit from the protesters being seen as more radical and destructive than they are, while Russia or China would be working towards hypothetical future benefits.

The media and the government are both very clear that there are fringe elements (both far-left and far-right) infiltrating the protests and trying to derail the efforts. So everyone is going out of their way to separate protesting from looting.

The only place I see where there is concentrated effort to equate protestors and rioting is on the twitter left.

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by boomboomsubban » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:44 PM UTC

bargle0 wrote: post #16

What is the point of fabricating this attack?

My guess is

"The protesters are now threatening officers at home, all methods of force to end this disturbance shoulders be tolerated."

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by celticninja » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:48 PM UTC

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

or you know there is genuine unrest. have you seen some of the videos of US policing in response these protests? no need to Stoke fires when the the US police are doing it for you

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by mc32 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:48 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #29

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

The US is by far the most likely hostile state actor. They are the ones that benefit from the protesters being seen as more radical and destructive than they are, while Russia or China would be working towards hypothetical future benefits.

Who in the US wins? Not the people. Not the pols. Maybe nebulous people with agendas...

I mean it doesn’t help Trump. He’s kind taking a hands off approach so far.

But it also doesn’t help Biden. He hasn’t said peep. He’s holed up and keeping quiet.

It would help countries the US is nettling but I’m not sure China has much to gain (maybe tit for tat re Hong Kong) Russia? The whole story was they colluded with Trump... so now they want him to lose to Biden? Whaaaa...

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by ngold » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:49 PM UTC

thebean11 wrote: post #30

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

Blaming outside instigators is a common tactic for downplaying unrest. I'm not saying you're wrong, and I agree Russia does run campaigns with the purpose of sowing tensions, but I'm very skeptical of any causality between Russia and the movement, protests, or riots.

If there is unrest it is easy to stoke from anywhere. You have Marx living in london, lenin hanging out in germany.

The point is. An under served population can be insighted with ideas from anywhere. But the root cause is still there in that community.

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by boomboomsubban » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:49 PM UTC

bravo22 wrote: post #32

boomboomsubban wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is by far the most likely hostile state actor. They are the ones that benefit from the protesters being seen as more radical and destructive than they are, while Russia or China would be working towards hypothetical future benefits.

The media and the government are both very clear that there are fringe elements (both far-left and far-right) infiltrating the protests and trying to derail the efforts. So everyone is going out of their way to separate protesting from looting. The only place I see where there is concentrated effort to equate protestors and rioting is on the twitter left.

Luckily it's only those "fringe elements" that are getting tear gassed, attacked with rubber bullets and batons, or being arrested. As both the media and the government have stated they are the problem.

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

thebean11 wrote: post #30

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

Blaming outside instigators is a common tactic for downplaying unrest. I'm not saying you're wrong, and I agree Russia does run campaigns with the purpose of sowing tensions, but I'm very skeptical of any causality between Russia and the movement, protests, or riots.

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Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by mc32 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

Right but we have Obama officials saying they believe Russia has something to do with it. Why would they want to help Trump and not Biden?

Re: Analysing the alleged Minneapolis police department “hack”

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Post by malandrew » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 10:55 PM UTC

chroem- wrote: post #24

Russia was caught running ads during the 2016 election that were sympathetic to radical white and black nationalist groups, with the end goal of sowing racial tensions. [0] I'm of the firm belief that we're being played by a hostile state actor here. I have no way of proving this, but I strongly suspect that Russia and/or China are trying to spur on the unrest through digital disinformation like in the OP. EDIT: by u…

I don't think you even need a hostile state actor. Almost nobody I've discussed current affairs with that is supportive of the rioters is capable of understanding that the only correct way to compare racial/gender disparities in excessive use of police force is based on per 10,000 arrests per violent crime. You quickly discover that there really isn't much of a disparity and the disparity that exists doesn't even lean in the direction people believes it does.

Is there a problem with excessive use of police force? Definitely. Is it disproportionate with regards to race or gender relative to representation based on a per 10,000 arrests per violent crime basis? No.