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Re: Is Facebook even safe anymore?

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Post by LatteLazy »

lozf wrote: post #30
LatteLazy wrote: post #29

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I don't know how to say this without sounding aggy, sorry. If you don't see the value, don't use it. Not every product is for everyone. It's entirely possible that for you there is no value in Facebook use. It has a low value for me (excluding WhatsApp). I use it only because I think its zero cost/risk. I'm very unlikely to fall for phishing scams and no useful (not already public) information about me is on there. T…

But simply "not using it" isn't enough. They still glean all sorts of information about you from both your browsing habits and other people you may know, or even those who may simply have stored your phone number or email address in one of their devices.

That's fine, but it's another example of this being a complex, personal matter not a simple yes/no universal answer...

Re: Is Facebook even safe anymore?

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Post by goatinaboat »

ghaff wrote: post #25
goatinaboat wrote: post #21

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once you've publicly posted something that's part of an online conversation you can no longer unilaterally delete it. But once you delete your account those posts can be attributed to “Deleted User”. HN doesn’t even do that.

I agree that's a more defensible position. Of course, there are lots of situations--you have a bylined article "printed" in a newspaper/magazine, you write a book, you appear speaking in someone else's YouTube video--where it's not really reasonable to expect to be able to expunge what you've written from the public record. This isn't a new thing. You couldn't typically delete a Usenet post either. What has changed i…

You couldn't typically delete a Usenet post either.

In the early days of Usenet posts were ephemeral and would only last a week. That expectation was baked into the culture and everyone was surprised to find a sneaky organisation had been archiving it all to monetise later.

Re: Is Facebook even safe anymore?

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Post by blaser-waffle »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #28
jevans22 wrote: post #20

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It's because it's such a highly controversial subject. I completely agree there's good and bad on Facebook, but overall feel like it nets out positive.

Im having a hard time finding a positive in Facebook.

Ditto. It obliterates privacy and datamines everything, while simultaneously serving as a platform for propaganda (marketing being slightly more benign economic propaganda).

In exchange for getting data-mined and marketed-to I get to see what the people I can't be bothered to email are doing.

There are other use cases, like businesses and groups announcing things over FB, but there are plenty of other platforms for this, many of whom are cheap or free.

Re: Is Facebook even safe anymore?

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Post by ghaff »

goatinaboat wrote: post #32
ghaff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that's a more defensible position. Of course, there are lots of situations--you have a bylined article "printed" in a newspaper/magazine, you write a book, you appear speaking in someone else's YouTube video--where it's not really reasonable to expect to be able to expunge what you've written from the public record. This isn't a new thing. You couldn't typically delete a Usenet post either. What has changed i…

You couldn't typically delete a Usenet post either. In the early days of Usenet posts were ephemeral and would only last a week. That expectation was baked into the culture and everyone was surprised to find a sneaky organisation had been archiving it all to monetise later.

Maybe in the very early days. But there were various archives of many newsgroups pre-Web (much less pre-DejaNews and Google).

Re: Is Facebook even safe anymore?

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Post by goatinaboat »

ghaff wrote: post #34
goatinaboat wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You couldn't typically delete a Usenet post either. In the early days of Usenet posts were ephemeral and would only last a week. That expectation was baked into the culture and everyone was surprised to find a sneaky organisation had been archiving it all to monetise later.

Maybe in the very early days. But there were various archives of many newsgroups pre-Web (much less pre-DejaNews and Google).

Yes lots of groups had their FAQs for example on an FTP site, but ordinary posts weren’t typically archived
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