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Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by gopi »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #28
paulydavis wrote: post #2

Zuckerberg knows he has a large conservative older user base. Losing them I bet is his concern

I think his concern is the amount of money from political campaigns this coming season. If that stuff was fact-checked, they would not be making as much money. The side effect of people internet hating on stuff on FB is lots of ad revenue for FB (aka page views). It doesn't matter what side is what, if things on FB are fact checked then there is likely going to be less sharing since there would be less content.

Political ads are a tiny portion of FB revenues, just around 0.5%. In fact, they may be losing money on this as it needs a lot of manual moderation

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by cmurf »

nailer wrote: post #16
derwiki wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exact wording was a reference to what a police chief in Miami said in 1967. It was meant to evoke that event, which could easily be called “fanning the flames.”

> The exact wording was a reference to what a police chief in Miami said in 1967 it was meant to evoke that event Really? I'm pretty sure it was meant to /rhyme/.

This is the same attempt at plausible deniability of Republican institutional racism since the Nixon Southern Strategy as clearly, undeniably, articulated by its inventor. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwa...

Trump peddled a racist lie and conspiracy theory for five years, before he was even in politics. Birtherism. And before that, the Central Park Five. And before that the federal lawsuit against him and his dad for discrimination in housing. It's not plausibly deniable. And this is the same thing.

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by lowdose »

derwiki wrote: post #13
ForHackernews wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. This is kind of true, but also points to just how insane this historical moment is. Can you imagine any prior administration acting this way? Can you imagine Bill Clinton raging out about AOL, or GW Bush trying to sic the FCC on Yahoo because it sent his email to spam?

Someone should point out to Trump that Google is classifying his emails as spam. It’s true, because I signed up for his newsletter and mark it spam.

Brilliant

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by lern_too_spel »

aeternum wrote: post #26
knodi wrote: post #17

At this point. If Trump can violet TOS and get away with it. Why can’t I or a bot. Side need to chosen and battle needs to be fought. It’s a lose lose for the likes of Twitter but at least Twitter is doing the right thing now.

The Twitter TOS are pretty ridiculous if you read through them. For example you cannot celebrate, praise, or condone murders or mass shootings committed by civilians. However you can celebrate, praise, and condone murders and mass shootings all you'd like if they were committed by governments.

From Twitter's Glorification of Violence Policy: "Exceptions may be made for violent acts by state actors, where violence was not primarily targeting protected groups."

"Exceptions may be made" doesn't sound like "you can [do it] all you'd like."

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by lacker »

ForHackernews wrote: post #10
DeonPenny wrote: post #9

Zuckerberg isn't insane. People in silicon valley sometime forget how much of a bubble they live in. Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. Zuckerberg knows the blowback is coming. I can't see how twitter doesn't become a life long target of the Trump administration to make an example of. If Facebook doesn't want to get caught in the splash zone they might want to back away fro…

> Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. This is kind of true, but also points to just how insane this historical moment is. Can you imagine any prior administration acting this way? Can you imagine Bill Clinton raging out about AOL, or GW Bush trying to sic the FCC on Yahoo because it sent his email to spam?

I can imagine a lot of prior administrations fighting with the media.

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle.”

- Thomas Jefferson

plenty more where that came from at https://www.history.com/news/presidents-relationship-with-pr...

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by lacker »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #14
ForHackernews wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. This is kind of true, but also points to just how insane this historical moment is. Can you imagine any prior administration acting this way? Can you imagine Bill Clinton raging out about AOL, or GW Bush trying to sic the FCC on Yahoo because it sent his email to spam?

>>>Can you imagine any prior administration acting this way? I wasn't alive for them, but I wouldn't be surprised if Truman or Eisenhower would crush Twitter in the age of McCarthyism. Although they tended to focus on individuals rather than companies or organizations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Yep. Truman called the press “paid prostitutes of the mind”.

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by DeonPenny »

ForHackernews wrote: post #10
DeonPenny wrote: post #9

Zuckerberg isn't insane. People in silicon valley sometime forget how much of a bubble they live in. Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. Zuckerberg knows the blowback is coming. I can't see how twitter doesn't become a life long target of the Trump administration to make an example of. If Facebook doesn't want to get caught in the splash zone they might want to back away fro…

> Twitter just effectively started a full-scale war with the federal government. This is kind of true, but also points to just how insane this historical moment is. Can you imagine any prior administration acting this way? Can you imagine Bill Clinton raging out about AOL, or GW Bush trying to sic the FCC on Yahoo because it sent his email to spam?

Yeh but imagine a social media site censoring or correcting a sitting president. The president didn't start that. What if AOL or Yahoo did the same to GW Bush or Clinton I doubt the response would be any different. It may of been worse

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by aeternum »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #34
aeternum wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Twitter TOS are pretty ridiculous if you read through them. For example you cannot celebrate, praise, or condone murders or mass shootings committed by civilians. However you can celebrate, praise, and condone murders and mass shootings all you'd like if they were committed by governments.

From Twitter's Glorification of Violence Policy: "Exceptions may be made for violent acts by state actors, where violence was not primarily targeting protected groups." "Exceptions may be made" doesn't sound like "you can [do it] all you'd like."

Right, but this is another problem which is at the crux of the issue. These exceptions throughout the TOS give Twitter the power to editorialize without requiring them to take on any liability for the content on their site.

Re: Facebook Employees Criticize Zuckerberg’s Inaction over Trump

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Post by gentleman11 »

I’m going to be the guy in this thread who says that censorship is scary. Bots need to be stopped, and politically inflammatory fake news needs to be flagged and corrected... but we don’t get to say what we want unless people we hate/fear also get to say what they want.
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