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What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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DuckDuckGo has 50-100 employees, according to CrunchBase, while Google has over 100,000 employees. The exact numbers are irrelevant, but Google has around three orders of magnitude more employees than DDG. a) DDG needs about 1/1000th the revenue of Google to survive at its current scale. b) Software quality does not scale linearly with manpower. A 50-100 person team can do /almost/ as well as a 10,000 person team in…

> c) Unsurprisingly, I find DDG's search results good enough. I rarely go to Google, and only when DDG fails me.

Same, my problem is that whenever I search for something that isn't english DDG can't find even the most basic stuff. Aside from that the migration has been pretty painless for me though so I have my hopes up.

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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I like DuckDuckGo, but it's much worse than Google at localisation. It's annoying to have to search, then repeat the search with "UK" on the end to make it realise I'm not interested in buying e.g. building supplies or coffee or beer from US-based businesses. I get that it has no concept of who I am when I search, but some kind of localisation based on IP address could maybe help? Also, it feels a little disingenuous…

There is a slider that allows you to put it on or off. If your IP is in the UK, the slider will say "United Kingdom on/off" or something like that.

Right, but it's kinda annoying having to turn it on and off, as it remembers and I keep forgetting what I used last.

If I'm searching for programming stuff or similar, I want it off. If I'm searching for shops that sells bricks for my new wall, I want local results.

I've also noticed that even with it on, the "local" indexing is distinctly significantly worse than Google. That is, Google is much, much better at finding relevant pages which may contain variations on my search term when using my native language.

I guess that's just a question of resources, which is fair enough.

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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post #27

DuckDuckGo has 50-100 employees, according to CrunchBase, while Google has over 100,000 employees. The exact numbers are irrelevant, but Google has around three orders of magnitude more employees than DDG. a) DDG needs about 1/1000th the revenue of Google to survive at its current scale. b) Software quality does not scale linearly with manpower. A 50-100 person team can do /almost/ as well as a 10,000 person team in…

For doing math in DuckDuckGo, may I suggest adding !wa to the query, it will redirect the query to Wolfram Alpha and give you a better result. :)

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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I think it would be cool if one started an online advertising company in 2020 that employs about 50% graphic designers and 50% other and that specialises on providing online JPEG or similar images for websites, and where each add is completely human generated / human curated.

Also, the sizes should be completely fixed like you can choose between predetermined pixel ratios. Like maybe 162x100 or 1600x30 or whatever.

With people angsty with social media, I think it could be quite refreshing to have a trip back in time.

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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post #29

I like DuckDuckGo, but it's much worse than Google at localisation. It's annoying to have to search, then repeat the search with "UK" on the end to make it realise I'm not interested in buying e.g. building supplies or coffee or beer from US-based businesses. I get that it has no concept of who I am when I search, but some kind of localisation based on IP address could maybe help? Also, it feels a little disingenuous…

There is a slider that allows you to put it on or off. If your IP is in the UK, the slider will say "United Kingdom on/off" or something like that.

Isn't completely reliable for me in New Zealand - I do get slightly more NZ-related results with it turned on (it's pretty much useless with it off), but I still get quite a few results (some even with .co.uk and .ca TLDs in the results!) from all over the world.

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A paid search engine could work once it proves itself . This means they need to put a significant amount of work and server resources into it first , get a critical mass of users and then they can make it paid.

Sure, the "only" thing you need to do is 1) Build a better/equal search engine to that of Google 2) Convince people it's better enough that it's worth paying for, or that their privacy matters enough that they should pay to not use Google. 3) Maintain your costs of operation and make a profit There is no way I would invest in a company that attempted this, but as I said, I admire someone that would try.

> 1) Build a better/equal search engine to that of Google

For what it is worth Google has been busy lowering that bar for about 10 years:

- lower quality results

- dumber ads

- more nauseating practices generally

I'd like to no however that last summer the most brain dead ads disappeared and the last few weeks I've seen decent search results (2009 quality) twice.

When Google is good old Google from 2009 - where they return the exact weird quoted thing I seached for - then I actually consider going back.

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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post #31

I dislike Google as a company but their search results are orders of magnitude better than the competition. DDG or Bing are, to me, very bad (aren't they almost the same anyway?) It's unclear why that is, and why search is so hard, but obviously it is.

Well, it's kind of obvious Google tracks you, and your previous searches, and uses that data to personify your next result.

DDG doesn't track you.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/04/google-incognito-search-re...

Re: What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017)

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post #27

DuckDuckGo has 50-100 employees, according to CrunchBase, while Google has over 100,000 employees. The exact numbers are irrelevant, but Google has around three orders of magnitude more employees than DDG. a) DDG needs about 1/1000th the revenue of Google to survive at its current scale. b) Software quality does not scale linearly with manpower. A 50-100 person team can do /almost/ as well as a 10,000 person team in…

I think the numbers you put refer as Google as company (maybe more Alphabet) and not Google as search engine. I'm curious to know how many people actually works on Google Search Engine.
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