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Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by sieabahlpark »

CyanLite2 wrote: post #30
volandkit wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will get a pay cut if you relocate from one office to another today, e.g. moving from New York to Huntsville, Alabama will result in significant decrease in salary.

Correct, but I'm still pretty sure that $BigTechCompany pay is still pretty darn good for the area and the work is probably more interesting too. At the end of the day, $200k in Alabama for an experienced developer is still a fraction of the cost for the same experienced dev onsite in Menlo Park.

More like $100k max for Alabama.

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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waheoo wrote: post #28
throwaway4715 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, ALL big tech cos have paid differently based on where you live since forever. If you work for Google Pittsburgh you make less than Seattle/Bay/NYC, if you work for London office you make less than American hubs. I don't know why people are surprised that that applies to remote workers as well.

Isnt it pretty obvious? People are under the illusion they are paid for the work they do. They are not and never have been. They have always been paid what someone is willing to pay them for the work they do. It's subtle but important distinction. Salary is a function of demand and supply like any other price on an open market. This is why its important to not think in terms of work when negotiating a salary. Instead…

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Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by amscanne »

waheoo wrote: post #28
throwaway4715 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, ALL big tech cos have paid differently based on where you live since forever. If you work for Google Pittsburgh you make less than Seattle/Bay/NYC, if you work for London office you make less than American hubs. I don't know why people are surprised that that applies to remote workers as well.

Isnt it pretty obvious? People are under the illusion they are paid for the work they do. They are not and never have been. They have always been paid what someone is willing to pay them for the work they do. It's subtle but important distinction. Salary is a function of demand and supply like any other price on an open market. This is why its important to not think in terms of work when negotiating a salary. Instead…

> They are not and never have been. They have always been paid what someone is willing to pay them for the work they do.

“Willing” is the wrong word. People are paid based on what the company can get away with paying them, as long as it’s less than the amount that they are “willing” to pay (then they don’t get hired).

In other words, the labor market is more like a 2nd price auction than a 1st price. This is obvious when considering the “go get a competing offer and show it to your current employer who will match” strategy. You just changed the 2nd price!

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by intopieces »

xoxoy wrote: post #14

If you want to remain an IC then remote is probably the best option, but if you want to climb up into a leadership role I don’t really see how you get there in a remote role. Also Facebook’s admission that salary will be tied to cost of living wherever you choose to live sets a bad precedent. Anyone who thought they could just keep their Bay Area salary is going to be disappointed, and it gives cover to every other c…

Yes but lots of people locked into a 4 year vesting schedule based on Bay Area COL. I don't think they're going to take those back. So even with a pay cut, you're likely to come out ahead -- maybe even paid-for-house ahead.

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by xoxoy »

hobos_delight wrote: post #22
avalys wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get why the pay adjustment is so controversial. Facebook (and Google, and Apple, etc.) already have offices throughout the world, and they already set pay based on the local market and cost of living. Not sure why “remote work” independent of an office should be any different, or why this is surprising?

Google sets pay on local market rate only, not cost of living - they're very specific about this. And generally, the local market rate tends to lag the CoL increases,

Exactly. It’s usually by local market, which isn’t necessarily a reflection on cost of living.

So now if I say I want to move to Miami where the software eng market is limited, what exactly should I expect as far as pay cut goes based on cost of living?

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by intopieces »

geoffreyy wrote: post #33

Sorry guys, it was a busy day and just realized this kinda picked up, cloudflare workers reached their limit and I am now looking into a solution. In the meantime, it can be accessed via https://www.notion.so/cd2571b6bd0b434f8bf2042d5fa0d6ea

I'm not sure it's correct to say "remote first" for Facebook. IIRC, they're just giving the option for trusted employees, not hiring straight out of college for remote.

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by geoffreyy »

geoffreyy wrote: post #33

Sorry guys, it was a busy day and just realized this kinda picked up, cloudflare workers reached their limit and I am now looking into a solution. In the meantime, it can be accessed via https://www.notion.so/cd2571b6bd0b434f8bf2042d5fa0d6ea

And we are back, sorry I didn't expected to reach Cloudflare Workers free plan limit that fast.

Re: List of companies going full remote after Covid

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Post by geoffreyy »

intopieces wrote: post #38
geoffreyy wrote: post #33

Sorry guys, it was a busy day and just realized this kinda picked up, cloudflare workers reached their limit and I am now looking into a solution. In the meantime, it can be accessed via https://www.notion.so/cd2571b6bd0b434f8bf2042d5fa0d6ea

I'm not sure it's correct to say "remote first" for Facebook. IIRC, they're just giving the option for trusted employees, not hiring straight out of college for remote.

That's very fair, I will fix some of the copy to be more accurate.
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