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Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by cj »

avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

> Someone sneezed on...

Sanjay Gupta was talking on CNN (I know, not the most reputable source) and at one point flat out said "If a cook in the kitchen of a restauraunt you're ordering from has covid19 and sneezes on your food, it won't get passed on to you, since this is not a food borne illness".

I was quite shocked to hear that.

I'd be very curious to see what actual science says about food as an infection vector.

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Post by cpncrunch »

nelaboras wrote: post #23
avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

Viruses also can stay inactive in the body for years, see herpes as an obvious example. No idea if that can also be true for flu viruses though.

True for herpesviruses as they infect the immune system, but rhinovirus and coronavirus don't reactivate.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

sjg007 wrote: post #20

I noticed this in my own family of four. We've been in isolation for 2 months and we've all had colds for a week. You'd expect after 4 weeks for it to stop but nope. We've been social distancing and only one person goes out to pick up groceries curb side. We've been wiping stuff down too. I think this is one reason they say sars-cov-2 aka covid-19 is inevitable..

The simplest answer is often the correct one: somebody is cheating. Going out to see a friend; visiting a neighbor for 'just a minute'; chatting with the mailman.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by Cactus2018 »

avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

> contaminated a packet

Plus a Vit D deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4463890/

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by Cactus2018 »

michrassena wrote: post #28
Buttons840 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There have been many experiments running rats through all kinds of mazes, and so on--with little clear result. But in 1937 a man named Young did a very interesting one. He had a long corridor with doors all along one side where the rats came in, and doors along the other side where the food was. He wanted to see if he could train the rats to go in at the third door down from wherever he started them off. No. The rat…

I've tried to find this paper, but I can't. There's a Paul Thomas Young, who did study rats in that timeframe. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1421573?seq=1

I've look too. Couldn't find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cargo_cult_science#Rat-ru...

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/02/the_rat_experi...

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

cj wrote: post #31
avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

> Someone sneezed on... Sanjay Gupta was talking on CNN (I know, not the most reputable source) and at one point flat out said "If a cook in the kitchen of a restauraunt you're ordering from has covid19 and sneezes on your food, it won't get passed on to you, since this is not a food borne illness". I was quite shocked to hear that. I'd be very curious to see what actual science says about food as an infection vector…

There's evidence it can infect via the digestive system. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7172493/

The above study seems to imply that a gastro based infection of COVID is linked to mild symptoms though since cells in the digestive tract have far fewer ACE2 receptors compared to the respiratory system. So maybe it's the best way to catch the disease?

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by kzrdude »

sjg007 wrote: post #20

I noticed this in my own family of four. We've been in isolation for 2 months and we've all had colds for a week. You'd expect after 4 weeks for it to stop but nope. We've been social distancing and only one person goes out to pick up groceries curb side. We've been wiping stuff down too. I think this is one reason they say sars-cov-2 aka covid-19 is inevitable..

I don't think it's a big mystery that viruses stay around, inside one of your bodies.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by lurquer »

marktangotango wrote: post #30
sjg007 wrote: post #20

I noticed this in my own family of four. We've been in isolation for 2 months and we've all had colds for a week. You'd expect after 4 weeks for it to stop but nope. We've been social distancing and only one person goes out to pick up groceries curb side. We've been wiping stuff down too. I think this is one reason they say sars-cov-2 aka covid-19 is inevitable..

Same here, two weeks in 3 of 4 in our family had mild fevers (99 I also discovered my temp is generally 96-97, rarely goes up to "normal".

>Drive through windows and me going to the store have been our only exposures.

Let me reword this for you: "interacting with a teenager who deals with about a thousand people a day, and going to a facility that is frequented by tens of thousands of people a week, has been my only exposure."

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by dessant »

cj wrote: post #31
avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

> Someone sneezed on... Sanjay Gupta was talking on CNN (I know, not the most reputable source) and at one point flat out said "If a cook in the kitchen of a restauraunt you're ordering from has covid19 and sneezes on your food, it won't get passed on to you, since this is not a food borne illness". I was quite shocked to hear that. I'd be very curious to see what actual science says about food as an infection vector…

I have recently watched two of Gupta's videos about grocery shopping and disinfecting groceries, and they were light entertainment, with very little practical value.

There can be little difference between the virus reaching your lips by coming in contact with recently handled food or your hands. Restaurant food is absolutely an infection vector, we're just in the phase where we pretend it not to be for economic reasons.

Wipe or wash groceries properly, not like in his videos, and stay away from food that was recently in contact with people outside your household and that cannot be properly cleaned, such as fast food.

Here are the videos:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/03/sanjay-gupt...

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/08/cnn-town-ha...

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #36
cj wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone sneezed on... Sanjay Gupta was talking on CNN (I know, not the most reputable source) and at one point flat out said "If a cook in the kitchen of a restauraunt you're ordering from has covid19 and sneezes on your food, it won't get passed on to you, since this is not a food borne illness". I was quite shocked to hear that. I'd be very curious to see what actual science says about food as an infection vector…

There's evidence it can infect via the digestive system. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7172493/ The above study seems to imply that a gastro based infection of COVID is linked to mild symptoms though since cells in the digestive tract have far fewer ACE2 receptors compared to the respiratory system. So maybe it's the best way to catch the disease?

If we could somehow confirm that most (>95%) of gastro based infections result in mild symptoms, I wonder if that would be one way (although not a great way) to "immunize" the public vs a vaccine? Swallow the pill containing the virus and let it run its course to develop immunity?
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