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Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by neogodless »

jlgaddis wrote: post #30
ColanR wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, and it's one of the more annoying MOTDs I've encountered. You won't see it unless you get rid of the login manager and login at the terminal. Or, use the server edition.

> You won't see it unless you get rid of the login manager and login at the terminal. Or, use the server edition. And even though you don't see it, it's still there -- on every Ubuntu install (by default) -- phoning home to Canonical (every 12 hours, if memory serves). (Some users may not mind, of course, but they certainly don't go out of their way to let you know about it beforehand, which is my major issue with it…

I had no idea this was a thing. Thanks for the details. Do you happen to have a link handy for more information? If not, I'll see what I can find scouring the internet!

Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by jlgaddis »

neogodless wrote: post #31
jlgaddis wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You won't see it unless you get rid of the login manager and login at the terminal. Or, use the server edition. And even though you don't see it, it's still there -- on every Ubuntu install (by default) -- phoning home to Canonical (every 12 hours, if memory serves). (Some users may not mind, of course, but they certainly don't go out of their way to let you know about it beforehand, which is my major issue with it…

I had no idea this was a thing. Thanks for the details. Do you happen to have a link handy for more information? If not, I'll see what I can find scouring the internet!

Here's an HN thread [0] from a few years ago regarding "advertising" in the MOTD, specifically, and Ubuntu's "dynamic" MOTD, generally. (I'm not sure if all of the hardware/system details were being sent back then, though.)

The relevant "snippets" responsible for this behavior live in their own directory, /etc/update-motd.d/, if memory serves. That may not be exactly right -- perhaps unsuprisingly, I don't have an Ubuntu box handy -- but it should at least be close enough to help you find the actual directory.

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[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14662088

Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by tannhaeuser »

neogodless wrote: post #10

As a relative Linux newbie, who's running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on two laptops at home, would there be any advantages to Debian 10.4 over Ubuntu 20.04? (I assume at least some of that answer would depend on my use cases and hardware, but if you have general insights to the differences, some of us might find that useful!)

I can't stand gnome3 on Ubuntu. It's just dysfunctional and slow in so many ways. I could expand on that, but lets just say I had installed 19.10 in Feb for testing, and when I occasionally switched back to using my old notebook (with 16.10 and Unity), which I had to to search files since 19.10 doesn't find anything, I was shocked how much faster and usable it is. And while Ubuntu offers other flavours (Lubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.), once you leave the mainstream setup, you can as well use something else altogether since you're loosing the network effect and QA through crowd-testing that Ubuntu has anyway. Mandatorily updating Snap packages on 20.04 were the last straw for me, as I'm having no use for such a setup; as developer working with multiple customers and customer data, and often times from remote and not-so-well connected spots, I absolutely need to be in control of what SW is on my system so I decided I'll go back to using Debian proper (Devuan, specifically, so I can also get rid of SystemD).

Re: Debian 10.4

#35

Post by stOneskull »

Mave83 wrote: post #33

debian is awesome.

it really is.

thank you to the team for a great OS and for keeping the spirit of ian murdock alive.

the tough decision for me right now on my laptop, is whether to use MX Linux, which has been great the last few years, or this Linux Mint Debian Edition, which i've been trying since the latest release and is very nice.

Re: Debian 10.4

#36

Post by IronBacon »

FlyMoreRockets wrote: post #15
asveikau wrote: post #4

The first Debian release I used was slink (released March 1999). I stopped using debian on most of my personal machines when they switched to systemd. This is because a few of them refused to boot or exhibited strange init related bugs after the switch.

My first Debian was also Slink, installed from a box of floppies onto a 486. Had to use rawrite to put the disk image onto the floppies. That box of floppies is still around here somewhere, though the 486 is long gone.

I remember the troubles using "dselect" without a stable internet connection, "apt" came quite later (with Potato or Woody, don't recall). On the other hand, I never had the need to try something else...

Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by hiq »

_8j50 wrote: post #8
kelnos wrote: post #5

I cut my teeth on Red Hat (before Fedora was a thing), used Gentoo for a few years when I cutely believed that waiting hours for compiles to finish was fun and useful, but for the last 8-10 years I've been on Debian. It's not perfect, but it gets the job done. For my laptop I usually run testing, and then stick with stable for 6 months or so after it's released, before switching back to testing. For me, it's a good b…

I use both gentoo and debian. I find it hard for either one to replace the other. I can't let go of the control gentoo gives me and as you noted the smooth and stable binary based debian let's you get the job done fast with little hustle. I try to mix and match, using gentoo as a minimalist and debian as a full blown desktop or prod network(http,etc...) server.

In which cases do you need the minimalism Gentoo provides?

Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

neogodless wrote: post #10

As a relative Linux newbie, who's running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on two laptops at home, would there be any advantages to Debian 10.4 over Ubuntu 20.04? (I assume at least some of that answer would depend on my use cases and hardware, but if you have general insights to the differences, some of us might find that useful!)

I moved away from Ubuntu to Debian, four ideological reasons, roughly a decade ago, when Ubuntu started to do crazy UI changes, and included ads in the OS (I don't know if this is still the case).

Debian on xfce4 also works fast on my old laptop (and my new laptop).

Re: Debian 10.4

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Post by rleigh »

asveikau wrote: post #4

The first Debian release I used was slink (released March 1999). I stopped using debian on most of my personal machines when they switched to systemd. This is because a few of them refused to boot or exhibited strange init related bugs after the switch.

Snap. It's only the last year I chucked away my slink, potato and woody CDs.

I had terrible problems with NFS and systemd. In fact, when testing Ubuntu 20.04 in a VM, the problems are still there even today. It's not freezing on boot as regularly, but it's still unpredictable and often freezes on shutdown.

Re: Debian 10.4

#40

Post by pcdoodle »

I've actually been using Raspbian Desktop installed on a laptop to develop software for raspberry pi. For some reason it's faster compiling xojo apps than windows or mac. Debian FTW!
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