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Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by H8crilA » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

drewcon wrote: post #24

dannyw wrote: post #14

All I can think of reading this article is someone else overly panicking over ‘rona’. Look at the statistics yourself: as someone under the age of 65, your chances of dying even after catching it is negligible. It’s a rounding error. The younger you are, the more harmless it is to you. Yes, you can pass it along to other people, those older and actually at risk. But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.

Chance of death is one thing, but your chance of ending up with a prolonged extremely unpleasant hospital stay and possible long term (we don't know yet, but I don't want to be the one to find out) morbidities is far higher. Under 50 year olds make up 20-25% of hospitalizations. https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1259131903170371591

50% of ICU patients have clotting problems, including strokes, but mostly damage to lower limbs.

30% of ICU patients experience kidney problems and require a consultation with a nephrologist or dialysis.

It's not as simple as "all good" vs "death".

PS: source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-hijacks-the-body-fr...

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

chdaniel wrote: post #8

umvi wrote: post #4

Since hospitals are practically empty right now, have we thought of allowing people to voluntarily get infected/quarantined (using a tiny viral load)? Obviously no old, immuno-compromised, or other vulnerable people. But for healthy "essential" workers it would mean not living in fear that they might get it... because they already got over it.

Genuine question: why are hospitals empty? Aren't people affected by covid taken there?

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Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by take_a_breath » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #14

All I can think of reading this article is someone else overly panicking over ‘rona’. Look at the statistics yourself: as someone under the age of 65, your chances of dying even after catching it is negligible. It’s a rounding error. The younger you are, the more harmless it is to you. Yes, you can pass it along to other people, those older and actually at risk. But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.

==But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.==

This is a blatant falsehood. You have no idea what conditions other people carry.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by simion314 » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

stormdennis wrote: post #9

It's reactionary to say it but China has to pay a price for this, otherwise what's to stop it happening again? Edit :I've been completely hammered on this topic so I won't make any more comments. Hope that's ok

It will happen again, we knew something like this will happen, isolating China is maybe a solution for some politicians to get some points. Ideally we learn this time and everyone will be prepared with masks, we somehow fix the anti-vacine movement, implement contact tracing etc.

Sure in parallel we should see if and who is guilty of what , but this should be a side thing and not the main focus.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by SeanBoocock » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

Similar stories from a family member who is a major airline pilot. Light load of trips on their (line) schedule, of those trips several get cancelled and of the trips that don't get cancelled, certain legs of them will be day of such that they will have to deadhead somewhere to pick up another flight or layover in an unexpected city.

It's a mess and I don't think the (domestic) airline industry will look the same a year from now.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by ISL » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

justinator wrote: post #30

ISL wrote: post #7

The days of carefree travel will return. It'll be a while, but it will be back. In early March, looking for a park to sit quietly with my thoughts in the sunshine but away from others, I found myself in a local cemetery. Alone, but not far from a great many people. Seattle's a pretty young place on the scale of things. I was surprised to find that our local graveyard had a substantial contingent that had lived throug…

> After noting, to my surprise, that there wasn't an obvious peak in the deaths in 1918 Well, you've seen photos of mass graves circa this year, right?

True.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by stormdennis » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

cachestash wrote: post #27

stormdennis wrote: post #9

It's reactionary to say it but China has to pay a price for this, otherwise what's to stop it happening again? Edit :I've been completely hammered on this topic so I won't make any more comments. Hope that's ok

I agree, but we also need to look closer to home with our factory farming approach to animal husbandry where conditions are far from ideal. Not saying that everyone should go vegan, but we can't rely on a continuously supply cheaply produced meat ($1 burger).

I can't disagree with that. I'm not a vegan but I want animals to have as decent a life as possible.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by jrockway » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #4

Since hospitals are practically empty right now, have we thought of allowing people to voluntarily get infected/quarantined (using a tiny viral load)? Obviously no old, immuno-compromised, or other vulnerable people. But for healthy "essential" workers it would mean not living in fear that they might get it... because they already got over it.

I am assuming people would want to see benefits in being infected before they're going to volunteer. We don't have conclusive data that you can only get COVID-19 once. We don't have conclusive evidence that viral load / exposure volume is what controls the severity of the disease. Right now, it simply looks too risky to attempt; people will volunteer to die painfully, and the ones that survive might not even be spared a second infection. We just don't know right now.

More data is necessary. It seems likely to me that exposure to the disease will confer immunity for some period of time, because so many other diseases work that way. But we just don't have solid data that shows that to be the case. (We also don't have data that says the opposite is true.)

I kind of have a gut feeling that the total number of people infected is much higher than we think it is, and thus there is less risk. We can watch the states that have reopened to see if that's true (and ship everyone an antibody test with their Census forms or something). More data is being acquired, and with that data, we should be able to make better guesses as to what the next course of action should be.

(Reacting to this article specifically, I'd love for the author to get an antibody test. It seems so unlikely to me for people in these very high risk environments to have managed to not get the disease. People travel sick. People wear masks wrong. The disease is incredibly contagious. How could you not get sick? It is all kind of amazing to me.)

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by Twirrim » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #14

All I can think of reading this article is someone else overly panicking over ‘rona’. Look at the statistics yourself: as someone under the age of 65, your chances of dying even after catching it is negligible. It’s a rounding error. The younger you are, the more harmless it is to you. Yes, you can pass it along to other people, those older and actually at risk. But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.

That's a somewhat narrow view of the disease. There's an awful lot we don't know about the long term impacts of the disease, about what else it is doing to the body along the way. So far we only know about the immediate effects.

To be clear: I'm not panicking or living in fear, just keeping firmly in mind that there's likely more we don't know than do know about it.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #14

All I can think of reading this article is someone else overly panicking over ‘rona’. Look at the statistics yourself: as someone under the age of 65, your chances of dying even after catching it is negligible. It’s a rounding error. The younger you are, the more harmless it is to you. Yes, you can pass it along to other people, those older and actually at risk. But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.

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